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  • Undertaker: In the running for GOAT?

    Longevity, performing at a high level, versatility, getting other people over, babyface, heel, gimmick evolutions and changes.

    Is it so crazy and controversial to make a case to say Undertaker might be the GOAT? I've thought about this for the last couple of years. I think he has to be in the conversation.
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    No, it isn't crazy, because he is definitely the GOAT. In WWE, at least, which to some may be reason enough to call him the GOAT in general.

    I side with Kobashi when it comes to GOAT conversations, but even he is debatable when Misawa's name is mentioned in the same conversation.

    But, yeah, Taker, man. It's hard to argue against him.
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    • #3
      Re: Throwaway Comments That Truly Aren't Worth A New Thread

      No, it isn't crazy, because he is definitely the GOAT. In WWE, at least, which to some may be reason enough to call him the GOAT in general.

      I side with Kobashi when it comes to GOAT conversations, but even he is debatable when Misawa's name is mentioned in the same conversation.

      But, yeah, Taker, man. It's hard to argue against him.
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      • #4
        Re: Throwaway Comments That Truly Aren't Worth A New Thread

        Taker isn't even the GOAT in WWE to me

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          Re: Throwaway Comments That Truly Aren't Worth A New Thread

          Taker isn't even the GOAT in WWE to me

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          • #6
            Re: Throwaway Comments That Truly Aren't Worth A New Thread

            Originally posted by KashDinero View Post
            No, it isn't crazy, because he is definitely the GOAT. In WWE, at least, which to some may be reason enough to call him the GOAT in general.

            I side with Kobashi when it comes to GOAT conversations, but even he is debatable when Misawa's name is mentioned in the same conversation.

            But, yeah, Taker, man. It's hard to argue against him.
            I don't believe he is but I can absolutely understand the arguments for him. But to me, Taker was never the greatest in the ring (his undead gimmick held him back the early years; it wasn't til Ministry/ABA that he was able to sell as a human being and not wrestle like a slow zombie) and never the greatest on the mic (his best promos read like an angsty 13 year old's fan fic of goth), so I can't call him the indisputabe GOAT.

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            • #7
              Re: Throwaway Comments That Truly Aren't Worth A New Thread

              Originally posted by KashDinero View Post
              No, it isn't crazy, because he is definitely the GOAT. In WWE, at least, which to some may be reason enough to call him the GOAT in general.

              I side with Kobashi when it comes to GOAT conversations, but even he is debatable when Misawa's name is mentioned in the same conversation.

              But, yeah, Taker, man. It's hard to argue against him.
              I don't believe he is but I can absolutely understand the arguments for him. But to me, Taker was never the greatest in the ring (his undead gimmick held him back the early years; it wasn't til Ministry/ABA that he was able to sell as a human being and not wrestle like a slow zombie) and never the greatest on the mic (his best promos read like an angsty 13 year old's fan fic of goth), so I can't call him the indisputabe GOAT.

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              • #8
                Re: Throwaway Comments That Truly Aren't Worth A New Thread

                Originally posted by Michinokudriver View Post
                I don't believe he is but I can absolutely understand the arguments for him. But to me, Taker was never the greatest in the ring (his undead gimmick held him back the early years; it wasn't til Ministry/ABA that he was able to sell as a human being and not wrestle like a slow zombie) and never the greatest on the mic (his best promos read like an angsty 13 year old's fan fic of goth), so I can't call him the indisputabe GOAT.
                For me it's not always about the in ring wrestling. Taker went from, like, 90-95/96 as a pure character driven entity and was the most over guy on the roster for the majority of that time. His late 96/97 evolution is a part of the charm for me. Yes, his mic work was never the best, but his catchphrase more than made up for that.

                Personally, he has never been my favourite, but I can't dispute what he meant to WWE and wrestling over the years.

                I could make a hundred points against him, some of which could be considered strong cases,so I can definitely understand those who don't don't hold him in the same regard that I do, but, for me, his positives eclipse the negatives.
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                  Re: Throwaway Comments That Truly Aren't Worth A New Thread

                  Originally posted by Michinokudriver View Post
                  I don't believe he is but I can absolutely understand the arguments for him. But to me, Taker was never the greatest in the ring (his undead gimmick held him back the early years; it wasn't til Ministry/ABA that he was able to sell as a human being and not wrestle like a slow zombie) and never the greatest on the mic (his best promos read like an angsty 13 year old's fan fic of goth), so I can't call him the indisputabe GOAT.
                  For me it's not always about the in ring wrestling. Taker went from, like, 90-95/96 as a pure character driven entity and was the most over guy on the roster for the majority of that time. His late 96/97 evolution is a part of the charm for me. Yes, his mic work was never the best, but his catchphrase more than made up for that.

                  Personally, he has never been my favourite, but I can't dispute what he meant to WWE and wrestling over the years.

                  I could make a hundred points against him, some of which could be considered strong cases,so I can definitely understand those who don't don't hold him in the same regard that I do, but, for me, his positives eclipse the negatives.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Throwaway Comments That Truly Aren't Worth A New Thread

                    Originally posted by Michinokudriver View Post
                    I don't believe he is but I can absolutely understand the arguments for him. But to me, Taker was never the greatest in the ring (his undead gimmick held him back the early years; it wasn't til Ministry/ABA that he was able to sell as a human being and not wrestle like a slow zombie) and never the greatest on the mic (his best promos read like an angsty 13 year old's fan fic of goth), so I can't call him the indisputabe GOAT.
                    His best promos were from his ABA run, and those didn't come off like an angsty 13 year old's goth fan fic at all.

                    EDIT: To add to this topic though, I think 'Taker will end up being remembered like the Andre to Rock and Austin's Hogan. It's hard to readily tag a special feature attraction as the GOAT over business-transforming/business-transcending main event draws. That said, 'Taker holds a place over HHH, HBK, Savage, Warrior, Flair, Foley, and maybe even Bret (if I can put my markdom aside) in WWE GOAT rankings for me. The only guys I'd put ahead of his bedside the aforementioned Rock, Austin, and Hogan would be possibly Bruno, Cena, and Andre.

                    EDITē: just out of curiosity (and not wanting to work) decided to see what my personal WWE GOAT ranking might look like...

                    1. Hulk Hogan
                    2. Steve Austin
                    3. The Rock
                    4. Andre the Giant
                    5. The Undertaker
                    6. Bruno Sammartino
                    7. John Cena
                    8. Triple H
                    9. Bret Hart
                    10. Shawn Michaels
                    11. Randy Savage
                    12. Mick Foley
                    13. Ric Flair
                    14. Kurt Angle
                    15. Roddy Piper
                    16. Brock Lesnar
                    17. The Ultimate Warrior
                    18. Eddie Guerrero
                    19. Bob Backlund
                    20. ...

                    Work in progress, clearly
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                    • #11
                      Re: Throwaway Comments That Truly Aren't Worth A New Thread

                      Originally posted by Michinokudriver View Post
                      I don't believe he is but I can absolutely understand the arguments for him. But to me, Taker was never the greatest in the ring (his undead gimmick held him back the early years; it wasn't til Ministry/ABA that he was able to sell as a human being and not wrestle like a slow zombie) and never the greatest on the mic (his best promos read like an angsty 13 year old's fan fic of goth), so I can't call him the indisputabe GOAT.
                      His best promos were from his ABA run, and those didn't come off like an angsty 13 year old's goth fan fic at all.

                      EDIT: To add to this topic though, I think 'Taker will end up being remembered like the Andre to Rock and Austin's Hogan. It's hard to readily tag a special feature attraction as the GOAT over business-transforming/business-transcending main event draws. That said, 'Taker holds a place over HHH, HBK, Savage, Warrior, Flair, Foley, and maybe even Bret (if I can put my markdom aside) in WWE GOAT rankings for me. The only guys I'd put ahead of his bedside the aforementioned Rock, Austin, and Hogan would be possibly Bruno, Cena, and Andre.

                      EDITē: just out of curiosity (and not wanting to work) decided to see what my personal WWE GOAT ranking might look like...

                      1. Hulk Hogan
                      2. Steve Austin
                      3. The Rock
                      4. Andre the Giant
                      5. The Undertaker
                      6. Bruno Sammartino
                      7. John Cena
                      8. Triple H
                      9. Bret Hart
                      10. Shawn Michaels
                      11. Randy Savage
                      12. Mick Foley
                      13. Ric Flair
                      14. Kurt Angle
                      15. Roddy Piper
                      16. Brock Lesnar
                      17. The Ultimate Warrior
                      18. Eddie Guerrero
                      19. Bob Backlund
                      20. ...

                      Work in progress, clearly
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                        Re: Throwaway Comments That Truly Aren't Worth A New Thread

                        I think this deserves a thread of its own lol.
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                          Re: Throwaway Comments That Truly Aren't Worth A New Thread

                          I think this deserves a thread of its own lol.
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                            Re: Throwaway Comments That Truly Aren't Worth A New Thread

                            Originally posted by KashDinero View Post
                            I think this deserves a thread of its own lol.
                            Agree, so I moved it.

                            As far far as the question, he certainly could be argued as the greatest of all time, but I don't think so. For me his in-ring ability & mic work are not good enough for me to put him there.
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                              Re: Throwaway Comments That Truly Aren't Worth A New Thread

                              Originally posted by KashDinero View Post
                              I think this deserves a thread of its own lol.
                              Agree, so I moved it.

                              As far far as the question, he certainly could be argued as the greatest of all time, but I don't think so. For me his in-ring ability & mic work are not good enough for me to put him there.
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