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  • #91
    Re: Ring of Honor Superthread *SPOILERS*

    Originally posted by Big Pete View Post
    So without writing up a big fan-fic, what would you guys change about ROH?

    Specifically their TV?
    They actually put belts on people when it's the right time to rather than dragging out the tease to the point that nobody cares anymore.

    It's why I have low hopes for Daltons chance at winning.

    Originally posted by TJ Wyoming
    Maybe so, but at least I'm not a fucking loser. You and your country is our bitch! Been that way for a couple of centuries. And Canada (technically part of your "empire") is our bitch which makes Owens our bitch. Deal with it.
    Don't worry, he's only making PW great again

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    • #92
      Re: Ring of Honor Superthread *SPOILERS*

      I stopped actively following RoH when they first got on TV and PPV. Shit just got way too hard to follow. The days of their straight to VHS/DVD shows still rank as my favourite time as a wrestling fan. The booking was world class back then, and while they never created too many stars, they certainly established the shit out of Punk, LowKi, Danielson, Joe, Tyler, ect ect ect. No f'n way that can be argued.
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      • #93
        Re: Ring of Honor Superthread *SPOILERS*

        I stopped actively following RoH when they first got on TV and PPV. Shit just got way too hard to follow. The days of their straight to VHS/DVD shows still rank as my favourite time as a wrestling fan. The booking was world class back then, and while they never created too many stars, they certainly established the shit out of Punk, LowKi, Danielson, Joe, Tyler, ect ect ect. No f'n way that can be argued.
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        • #94
          Re: Ring of Honor Superthread *SPOILERS*

          Those guys changed Pro Wrestling, Kash.

          Originally posted by Falcone
          They actually put belts on people when it's the right time to rather than dragging out the tease to the point that nobody cares anymore.
          That's been their problem since...shit...Adam Pearce became booker?

          Outside of giving Dalton a TV Championship run, they haven't missed the boat on anyone in recent years.

          Largely because there hasn't been a boat in the first place.

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          The biggest hire ROH could make is a couple of agents.

          Every ROH match feels the same. If they could get a bunch of guys to lay the show out from top to bottom, the matches would stand out and you could actually begin to make a big deal about certain spots.

          ECW got tremendous mileage out of angles that happened years ago. ROH needs to celebrate it's own moments and be less modest.

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          • #95
            Re: Ring of Honor Superthread *SPOILERS*

            Those guys changed Pro Wrestling, Kash.

            Originally posted by Falcone
            They actually put belts on people when it's the right time to rather than dragging out the tease to the point that nobody cares anymore.
            That's been their problem since...shit...Adam Pearce became booker?

            Outside of giving Dalton a TV Championship run, they haven't missed the boat on anyone in recent years.

            Largely because there hasn't been a boat in the first place.

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            The biggest hire ROH could make is a couple of agents.

            Every ROH match feels the same. If they could get a bunch of guys to lay the show out from top to bottom, the matches would stand out and you could actually begin to make a big deal about certain spots.

            ECW got tremendous mileage out of angles that happened years ago. ROH needs to celebrate it's own moments and be less modest.

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            • #96
              Re: Ring of Honor Superthread *SPOILERS*

              Originally posted by Big Pete View Post
              So without writing up a big fan-fic, what would you guys change about ROH?

              Specifically their TV?
              The first thing I'd do is schedule 12 TV tapings a year. I don't know how many PPVs they're doing now but whatever it is I'd keep that number.

              I'd just make sure that the TV show isn't out of date and that there are always fresh episodes to air post PPV. None of that "PPV airs on Sunday and Thursdays show takes place before it" crap.

              Then if they wanna do house shows, I'd let them knock themselves out. But not one house show before all those TV tapings are scheduled. I don't care what the crowd looks like or what the quality of video is. 12 honest to God TV tapings.

              ***

              Then I'd focus on story telling and using less of the roster. IF more popular wrestlers have to wrestle twice per taping that's okay with me. I'd try to remember that ultimately I"m trying to sell a PPV, so I'd try to have my biggest star or two on every week, wether it's in a match or a back stage skit or promo.

              Also, I'd try to get a network because who the hell is buying their PPVs anymore?

              Also, women's title because how in the fuck do you have a six man title before a woman's title?

              Also I'd get rid of the six man title.

              Originally posted by KashDinero View Post
              I stopped actively following RoH when they first got on TV and PPV. Shit just got way too hard to follow. The days of their straight to VHS/DVD shows still rank as my favourite time as a wrestling fan. The booking was world class back then, and while they never created too many stars, they certainly established the shit out of Punk, LowKi, Danielson, Joe, Tyler, ect ect ect. No f'n way that can be argued.
              I'd argue that. Of course Punk and Danielson and Joe and Tyler were big.

              They were great. But I always felt like they were great in spite of ROH. Like they'd go to other places and do similar stuff. I"m not sure their best work is in ROH.

              I just think for some reason, ROH just happened to become the biggest of the 5-8 promotions those guys worked for.

              If I'm a booker/writer? I'd feel like it was my obligation to give every wrestler something to do. And I think Gabe and others just let them go out there and do whatever they wanted.

              Not bad if you're a CM Punk. Very bad if you're a Rodrick STrong.
              Last edited by Mad Dog Smith; 02-05-2017, 01:38 PM.

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              • #97
                Re: Ring of Honor Superthread *SPOILERS*

                Originally posted by Big Pete View Post
                So without writing up a big fan-fic, what would you guys change about ROH?

                Specifically their TV?
                The first thing I'd do is schedule 12 TV tapings a year. I don't know how many PPVs they're doing now but whatever it is I'd keep that number.

                I'd just make sure that the TV show isn't out of date and that there are always fresh episodes to air post PPV. None of that "PPV airs on Sunday and Thursdays show takes place before it" crap.

                Then if they wanna do house shows, I'd let them knock themselves out. But not one house show before all those TV tapings are scheduled. I don't care what the crowd looks like or what the quality of video is. 12 honest to God TV tapings.

                ***

                Then I'd focus on story telling and using less of the roster. IF more popular wrestlers have to wrestle twice per taping that's okay with me. I'd try to remember that ultimately I"m trying to sell a PPV, so I'd try to have my biggest star or two on every week, wether it's in a match or a back stage skit or promo.

                Also, I'd try to get a network because who the hell is buying their PPVs anymore?

                Also, women's title because how in the fuck do you have a six man title before a woman's title?

                Also I'd get rid of the six man title.

                Originally posted by KashDinero View Post
                I stopped actively following RoH when they first got on TV and PPV. Shit just got way too hard to follow. The days of their straight to VHS/DVD shows still rank as my favourite time as a wrestling fan. The booking was world class back then, and while they never created too many stars, they certainly established the shit out of Punk, LowKi, Danielson, Joe, Tyler, ect ect ect. No f'n way that can be argued.
                I'd argue that. Of course Punk and Danielson and Joe and Tyler were big.

                They were great. But I always felt like they were great in spite of ROH. Like they'd go to other places and do similar stuff. I"m not sure their best work is in ROH.

                I just think for some reason, ROH just happened to become the biggest of the 5-8 promotions those guys worked for.

                If I'm a booker/writer? I'd feel like it was my obligation to give every wrestler something to do. And I think Gabe and others just let them go out there and do whatever they wanted.

                Not bad if you're a CM Punk. Very bad if you're a Rodrick STrong.

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                • #98
                  Re: Ring of Honor Superthread *SPOILERS*

                  Actually, [MENTION=108492]Mad Dog Smith[/MENTION], buddy, numerous guys have said that they saved their best work for RoH. Having been an avid follower of the indy scene, at the time, I rarely came across many matches from the RoH regulars that was significantly better than their RoH matches. Seriously.That place was like the fucking mecca for North American indy wrestling stars and beyond. It was where the best of the best went to showcase their talents to the absolute best of their abilities. A wrestler knew he had to be on sharpest of sharpity sharp point in that red and black ring. They had to. They were surrounded by the coast to coast cream of the crop.

                  Yes, the aforementioned names would have been great without RoH, I guess, but woulda, shoulda, coulda, shmoulda.

                  What If's aren't real.

                  Fact is, the top indy talent from around the world fucked shit up in RoH and pushed each other to their limits and then some. Yes, talent is talent regardless, but when you mix awesome talent with equally awesome talent all the talent becomes more talented because they naturally bring out the best in each other. RoH was a place where everyone tried to steal the show, and it was perfectly OK, because all that meant was the best possible shows were being put on month after month.

                  Again, RoH established the shit out of those guys, and put them under the brightest spotlight an indy bum wrestler could ever possibly ask for. Nowhere else on the planet had all those fantastically, awesome, innovating, path creating, genre defining, mutha fuckers under the same roof show in show out. A lot can be pissed and shit on about Delirious' RoH, but Gabe Sapolskys RoH was THE hottest wrestling promotion for its time. Argue all you want, but I'll regrettably have to turn a deaf ear and a blind eye, because I can't imagine you lived through it to experience it as it was happening if you fail to appreciate what that place meant to the industry at the time, not to mention the top names in questions careers in general. Roh was a legitimate godsend for those fellas.

                  Very bad if you're Roderick Strong
                  C'mon, Dog, really? Strong wouldn't be shit without RoH. If anything, he has more to thank RoH for than Punk has. RoH genuinely made that guy. Generation Next put him, and Aries for that matter, firmly on the mapski.
                  Last edited by KashDinero; 02-05-2017, 04:08 PM.
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                  • #99
                    Re: Ring of Honor Superthread *SPOILERS*

                    Actually, [MENTION=108492]Mad Dog Smith[/MENTION], buddy, numerous guys have said that they saved their best work for RoH. Having been an avid follower of the indy scene, at the time, I rarely came across many matches from the RoH regulars that was significantly better than their RoH matches. Seriously.That place was like the fucking mecca for North American indy wrestling stars and beyond. It was where the best of the best went to showcase their talents to the absolute best of their abilities. A wrestler knew he had to be on sharpest of sharpity sharp point in that red and black ring. They had to. They were surrounded by the coast to coast cream of the crop.

                    Yes, the aforementioned names would have been great without RoH, I guess, but woulda, shoulda, coulda, shmoulda.

                    What If's aren't real.

                    Fact is, the top indy talent from around the world fucked shit up in RoH and pushed each other to their limits and then some. Yes, talent is talent regardless, but when you mix awesome talent with equally awesome talent all the talent becomes more talented because they naturally bring out the best in each other. RoH was a place where everyone tried to steal the show, and it was perfectly OK, because all that meant was the best possible shows were being put on month after month.

                    Again, RoH established the shit out of those guys, and put them under the brightest spotlight an indy bum wrestler could ever possibly ask for. Nowhere else on the planet had all those fantastically, awesome, innovating, path creating, genre defining, mutha fuckers under the same roof show in show out. A lot can be pissed and shit on about Delirious' RoH, but Gabe Sapolskys RoH was THE hottest wrestling promotion for its time. Argue all you want, but I'll regrettably have to turn a deaf ear and a blind eye, because I can't imagine you lived through it to experience it as it was happening if you fail to appreciate what that place meant to the industry at the time, not to mention the top names in questions careers in general. Roh was a legitimate godsend for those fellas.

                    Very bad if you're Roderick Strong
                    C'mon, Dog, really? Strong wouldn't be shit without RoH. If anything, he has more to thank RoH for than Punk has. RoH genuinely made that guy. Generation Next put him, and Aries for that matter, firmly on the mapski.
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                    • Re: Ring of Honor Superthread *SPOILERS*

                      [QUOTE]
                      Originally posted by KashDinero View Post
                      Actually, [MENTION=108492]Mad Dog Smith[/MENTION], buddy, numerous guys have said that they saved their best work for RoH. Having been an avid follower of the indy scene, at the time, I rarely came across many matches from the RoH regulars that was significantly better than their RoH matches. Seriously.That place was like the fucking mecca for North American indy wrestling stars and beyond. It was where the best of the best went to showcase their talents to the absolute best of their abilities. A wrestler knew he had to be on sharpest of sharpity sharp point in that red and black ring. They had to. They were surrounded by the coast to coast cream of the crop
                      I'm not saying this isn't all true. But I'm saying it's a little bit different from what I'm saying.

                      I'm sure everybody liked working at ROH, probably because it paid better than most places, and the spotlight was bigger.

                      But did ROH use them better than other promotions those same guys were working for? Did ROH do anything for them besides give them a place to shine?

                      No. Not in my opinion. Aside from a few bright spots (I like the first PPV era.) I just think ROH had a good production. YOu know who else has a lot of fans and a good production and has an absolute shit product? The WWE.

                      Yes, the aforementioned names would have been great without RoH, I guess, but woulda, shoulda, coulda, shmoulda.

                      What If's aren't real.
                      I propose that it ain't a what if. I propose that CM Punk and others went to places and did what wrestlers do. Told INteresting stories.

                      More interesting than the ROH.


                      Fact is, the top indy talent from around the world fucked shit up in RoH and pushed each other to their limits and then some. Yes, talent is talent regardless, but when you mix awesome talent with equally awesome talent all the talent becomes more talented because they naturally bring out the best in each other. RoH was a place where everyone tried to steal the show, and it was perfectly OK, because all that meant was the best possible shows were being put on month after month.
                      Not the case. Look at how great the WWE roster is. And the shows suck. Aside from a pay check I don't see what WWE is doing for their roster. From an artistic stand point, but also from a stand point of making wrestlers better.

                      Is Nakamura better in WWE? Than he was in NJPW?

                      Writing is more important in wrestling. IF we're talking about just putting on good matches, ROH did that. Sure. But a promotion that focuses entirely on that? Not my thing. NOt most people's thing.





                      C'mon, Dog, really? Strong wouldn't be shit without RoH. If anything, he has more to thank RoH for than Punk has. RoH genuinely made that guy. Generation Next put him, and Aries for that matter, firmly on the mapski.
                      I don't think Strong is the shit now. But from what I hear? HIs work in PWG was better.

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                      • Re: Ring of Honor Superthread *SPOILERS*

                        [QUOTE]
                        Originally posted by KashDinero View Post
                        Actually, [MENTION=108492]Mad Dog Smith[/MENTION], buddy, numerous guys have said that they saved their best work for RoH. Having been an avid follower of the indy scene, at the time, I rarely came across many matches from the RoH regulars that was significantly better than their RoH matches. Seriously.That place was like the fucking mecca for North American indy wrestling stars and beyond. It was where the best of the best went to showcase their talents to the absolute best of their abilities. A wrestler knew he had to be on sharpest of sharpity sharp point in that red and black ring. They had to. They were surrounded by the coast to coast cream of the crop
                        I'm not saying this isn't all true. But I'm saying it's a little bit different from what I'm saying.

                        I'm sure everybody liked working at ROH, probably because it paid better than most places, and the spotlight was bigger.

                        But did ROH use them better than other promotions those same guys were working for? Did ROH do anything for them besides give them a place to shine?

                        No. Not in my opinion. Aside from a few bright spots (I like the first PPV era.) I just think ROH had a good production. YOu know who else has a lot of fans and a good production and has an absolute shit product? The WWE.

                        Yes, the aforementioned names would have been great without RoH, I guess, but woulda, shoulda, coulda, shmoulda.

                        What If's aren't real.
                        I propose that it ain't a what if. I propose that CM Punk and others went to places and did what wrestlers do. Told INteresting stories.

                        More interesting than the ROH.


                        Fact is, the top indy talent from around the world fucked shit up in RoH and pushed each other to their limits and then some. Yes, talent is talent regardless, but when you mix awesome talent with equally awesome talent all the talent becomes more talented because they naturally bring out the best in each other. RoH was a place where everyone tried to steal the show, and it was perfectly OK, because all that meant was the best possible shows were being put on month after month.
                        Not the case. Look at how great the WWE roster is. And the shows suck. Aside from a pay check I don't see what WWE is doing for their roster. From an artistic stand point, but also from a stand point of making wrestlers better.

                        Is Nakamura better in WWE? Than he was in NJPW?

                        Writing is more important in wrestling. IF we're talking about just putting on good matches, ROH did that. Sure. But a promotion that focuses entirely on that? Not my thing. NOt most people's thing.





                        C'mon, Dog, really? Strong wouldn't be shit without RoH. If anything, he has more to thank RoH for than Punk has. RoH genuinely made that guy. Generation Next put him, and Aries for that matter, firmly on the mapski.
                        I don't think Strong is the shit now. But from what I hear? HIs work in PWG was better.

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                        • Re: Ring of Honor Superthread *SPOILERS*

                          I've got to side with Kash on Strong. Roddy received his first break in another independent, but it was his work with Generation Next that put him on the map.

                          I don't think you're completely wrong, Dog. They dropped the ball with the House of Truth and never made the most of Roddy after that. Watching Roddy in PWG & Evolve was night and day to his ROH stuff and it was clear he was miscast as a babyface.

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                          • Re: Ring of Honor Superthread *SPOILERS*

                            I've got to side with Kash on Strong. Roddy received his first break in another independent, but it was his work with Generation Next that put him on the map.

                            I don't think you're completely wrong, Dog. They dropped the ball with the House of Truth and never made the most of Roddy after that. Watching Roddy in PWG & Evolve was night and day to his ROH stuff and it was clear he was miscast as a babyface.

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                            • Re: Ring of Honor Superthread *SPOILERS*

                              [QUOTE=Mad Dog Smith;4421179]

                              I'm not saying this isn't all true. But I'm saying it's a little bit different from what I'm saying.

                              I'm sure everybody liked working at ROH, probably because it paid better than most places, and the spotlight was bigger.

                              But did ROH use them better than other promotions those same guys were working for? Did ROH do anything for them besides give them a place to shine?

                              No. Not in my opinion. Aside from a few bright spots (I like the first PPV era.) I just think ROH had a good production. YOu know who else has a lot of fans and a good production and has an absolute shit product? The WWE.

                              I propose that it ain't a what if. I propose that CM Punk and others went to places and did what wrestlers do. Told INteresting stories.

                              More interesting than the ROH.

                              Not the case. Look at how great the WWE roster is. And the shows suck. Aside from a pay check I don't see what WWE is doing for their roster. From an artistic stand point, but also from a stand point of making wrestlers better.

                              Is Nakamura better in WWE? Than he was in NJPW?

                              Writing is more important in wrestling. IF we're talking about just putting on good matches, ROH did that. Sure. But a promotion that focuses entirely on that? Not my thing. NOt most people's thing.
                              Broski, you're veering off with this WWE talk. I don't think it's really relevant here. I agree with you. I think. It's not what I'm discussing here, brudda

                              I'm talking about RoH from Era of Honor Begins to, say, Final Battle 2005, where Joe lost the RoH World title to Austin Aries after hold said title for twenty three months. Giving Joe that epic run was one thing RoH did for Joe. His feuds with Homicide and The Briscoes are another. Giving him interview time, a vast amount of ring time, and general guidance with his character development are further examples of doing stuff with the guy. Joe is obviously an easy guy to prove my point, but he was far from exclusive. Paul London was given the chance to shine show after show and had a phenomenal 2003 with the company wheee he was given every chance to grow as a wrestler. When "The American Dragon" first started with RoH his promo skills were sub par to say the very least. By the time RoH/Gabe was finished with him, he had an unseen confidence on the moc no oje foresaw at the time.

                              As for Punk going elsewhere and "telling interesting stories"? Yeah, he had, like, midling to fair matches in other places, mostly against Colt Cabana, with whom he mainly only really had oftentimes sloppy looking matches, but no way in hayul did the guy do anything outside of RoH during that time outside of RoH that was better than his Raven feud, which was about way more than just wrestling, and a few elements of that feud was mimicked just recently with Punks Jericho feud. Yeah, he had a fun run in IWA-MS, where he first really made a name for himself, but none of it compares to his RoH stuff. Not even close. Can you give me some examples of Punks work outside of RoH, not including WWE, that can compare? I'm genuinely interested here.

                              Admittedly, RoH did focus primarily on wrestling matches, but it did a hell of a lot of developing character, elevating talent, and grooming superstars, while telling coherent and logic stories along the way. Yes, there were no fake pornstars stealing peoples wives and GF's, or any One Man Gangs becoming African Dreams or any Steve Austins beating up his boss or any one foot in the grave old chicks sleeping with Olymic weightlifters and giving birth to gunky hand, but, who needs that shit when you have Christopher Daniels? Oh, and, yeah, Daniels had a hell of a good run in early RoH with his group, The Prophecy, and got genuine heel heat for refusing to follow the code of honor. To each their own, bro, but RoH gave its fans and demographic exactly what they wanted. The writing of the shows was good, great even. It just wasn't inspired by Russo, and I doubt very much that anyone was putting actual words in anyones mouths, barring a few bullet pounts (@$ it shpuld be).

                              I gotta ask, man, did you actually watch RoH during the era I'm on about? Like, really watch it, show by show, following the product? Personappy I have near enough every show on DVD from Era of Honor Begins to Final Battle 2005 -with an odd few 2005 shows missing- that I collected as they were happening. I loved this era. Perhaps I'm biased, but I prefer to look at it as being knowledgable on the promotion at the time.

                              I'm pretty sure that RoH was way more than a decent pay day for the boys anyway. Like, way, way, WAY more.

                              I don't think Strong is the shit now. But from what I hear? HIs work in PWG was better.
                              I didn't say he was the shit. I said he wouldn't be shit if not for RoH. Gabe took that non-descript chap and gave him direction, a place in the company with his brand new super group, Generation Next, alongside Austin Aries, Jack Evans and Alex Shelley, and pushed him as, uhhh, strong as he could. As for PWG? They became my new "RoH" a long time ago, but without his great start in RoH, where he defined who he was as a wrestler, he wouldn't have been as great as he is. I'm pretty sure he did have better matches in PWG, though, but the greatness that is PWG is another discussion entirely, bro. It's also not my point. I also know you have shunned PWG because of what you read about them somewhere on the internet. Shame of you, Dog. That place is gangbusters and sloberknockers incarnate. Check it out.
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                              • Re: Ring of Honor Superthread *SPOILERS*

                                [QUOTE=Mad Dog Smith;4421179]

                                I'm not saying this isn't all true. But I'm saying it's a little bit different from what I'm saying.

                                I'm sure everybody liked working at ROH, probably because it paid better than most places, and the spotlight was bigger.

                                But did ROH use them better than other promotions those same guys were working for? Did ROH do anything for them besides give them a place to shine?

                                No. Not in my opinion. Aside from a few bright spots (I like the first PPV era.) I just think ROH had a good production. YOu know who else has a lot of fans and a good production and has an absolute shit product? The WWE.

                                I propose that it ain't a what if. I propose that CM Punk and others went to places and did what wrestlers do. Told INteresting stories.

                                More interesting than the ROH.

                                Not the case. Look at how great the WWE roster is. And the shows suck. Aside from a pay check I don't see what WWE is doing for their roster. From an artistic stand point, but also from a stand point of making wrestlers better.

                                Is Nakamura better in WWE? Than he was in NJPW?

                                Writing is more important in wrestling. IF we're talking about just putting on good matches, ROH did that. Sure. But a promotion that focuses entirely on that? Not my thing. NOt most people's thing.
                                Broski, you're veering off with this WWE talk. I don't think it's really relevant here. I agree with you. I think. It's not what I'm discussing here, brudda

                                I'm talking about RoH from Era of Honor Begins to, say, Final Battle 2005, where Joe lost the RoH World title to Austin Aries after hold said title for twenty three months. Giving Joe that epic run was one thing RoH did for Joe. His feuds with Homicide and The Briscoes are another. Giving him interview time, a vast amount of ring time, and general guidance with his character development are further examples of doing stuff with the guy. Joe is obviously an easy guy to prove my point, but he was far from exclusive. Paul London was given the chance to shine show after show and had a phenomenal 2003 with the company wheee he was given every chance to grow as a wrestler. When "The American Dragon" first started with RoH his promo skills were sub par to say the very least. By the time RoH/Gabe was finished with him, he had an unseen confidence on the moc no oje foresaw at the time.

                                As for Punk going elsewhere and "telling interesting stories"? Yeah, he had, like, midling to fair matches in other places, mostly against Colt Cabana, with whom he mainly only really had oftentimes sloppy looking matches, but no way in hayul did the guy do anything outside of RoH during that time outside of RoH that was better than his Raven feud, which was about way more than just wrestling, and a few elements of that feud was mimicked just recently with Punks Jericho feud. Yeah, he had a fun run in IWA-MS, where he first really made a name for himself, but none of it compares to his RoH stuff. Not even close. Can you give me some examples of Punks work outside of RoH, not including WWE, that can compare? I'm genuinely interested here.

                                Admittedly, RoH did focus primarily on wrestling matches, but it did a hell of a lot of developing character, elevating talent, and grooming superstars, while telling coherent and logic stories along the way. Yes, there were no fake pornstars stealing peoples wives and GF's, or any One Man Gangs becoming African Dreams or any Steve Austins beating up his boss or any one foot in the grave old chicks sleeping with Olymic weightlifters and giving birth to gunky hand, but, who needs that shit when you have Christopher Daniels? Oh, and, yeah, Daniels had a hell of a good run in early RoH with his group, The Prophecy, and got genuine heel heat for refusing to follow the code of honor. To each their own, bro, but RoH gave its fans and demographic exactly what they wanted. The writing of the shows was good, great even. It just wasn't inspired by Russo, and I doubt very much that anyone was putting actual words in anyones mouths, barring a few bullet pounts (@$ it shpuld be).

                                I gotta ask, man, did you actually watch RoH during the era I'm on about? Like, really watch it, show by show, following the product? Personappy I have near enough every show on DVD from Era of Honor Begins to Final Battle 2005 -with an odd few 2005 shows missing- that I collected as they were happening. I loved this era. Perhaps I'm biased, but I prefer to look at it as being knowledgable on the promotion at the time.

                                I'm pretty sure that RoH was way more than a decent pay day for the boys anyway. Like, way, way, WAY more.

                                I don't think Strong is the shit now. But from what I hear? HIs work in PWG was better.
                                I didn't say he was the shit. I said he wouldn't be shit if not for RoH. Gabe took that non-descript chap and gave him direction, a place in the company with his brand new super group, Generation Next, alongside Austin Aries, Jack Evans and Alex Shelley, and pushed him as, uhhh, strong as he could. As for PWG? They became my new "RoH" a long time ago, but without his great start in RoH, where he defined who he was as a wrestler, he wouldn't have been as great as he is. I'm pretty sure he did have better matches in PWG, though, but the greatness that is PWG is another discussion entirely, bro. It's also not my point. I also know you have shunned PWG because of what you read about them somewhere on the internet. Shame of you, Dog. That place is gangbusters and sloberknockers incarnate. Check it out.
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