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  • #16
    Re: Match Review Thread II (History Edition)

    I tried watching some WCW Nitro episodes from late 1999 on the WWE Network and just couldn't stick to it. The shows were already bad but they have aged terribly with time. They just did not understand what television was and that if you throw a 20 minute garbage segment out there people would change the channel. I never remembered that WCW had the dude that used to host the original Headbangers Ball, and my god he was terrible.

    So I'm in a 1996 state of mind now. I watched bits and pieces of Summerslam 96 last night. Something funny that I always do when I watch shows from this era is like a Where's Waldo scan of the crowd. On this show I found the Chili Bowl kid and Faith No More guy!! Chili Bowl kid was always fucking jacked and hyped to the gills. I forgot all about the heel Smoking Guns with Sunny managing them(awesome). I fucking love the Boiler Room Brawl. I'm watching Vader vs HBK now for the first time in a long time.

    I'm convinced that Faith No More guy is a time traveler.

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    • #17
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      I was in a Wonderful mood the other day when I realized I've seen most of Orndorff's awesome opera theme, Gary Spivey-inspired stuff. Figured I might as well finish checking out one of my favorite runs nobody ever talks about.

      Paul Orndorff vs. Renegade- WCW Main Event 10/29/95

      Renegade was a blatant Ultimate Warrior ripoff. I had forgotten just how blatant until seeing this. I had at least one friend who (briefly) thought Renegade was the real Warrior. Ahh, this is right after Orndorff broke his mirror. I think it was during a match with Johnny B. Badd. Orndorff is worried about seven years of bad luck, which, if you think about it, kind of came true. From Big Evil....

      Originally posted by Big Evil
      Holy shit, you're now realizing that Orndorff legitimately did get 7 years of bad luck after getting crippled once in the coming months, and then again in 2000 during the Natural Born Thrillers feud. SHIT.
      I'll add that WWE buying WCW cost Orndorff what was likely a cushy job training at the WCW Power Plant. Poor Mr. Wonderful....

      As for the match....some stuff happens. Renegade hits two not terrible clotheslines. Then he hotshots himself on the top rope off a missed cross body block. Sick Piledriver by Mr. Wonderful aaaand fucking Renegade pops right up. I would have really hated the Renegade if I had watched more pre-September 1995 WCW. Thankfully Orndorff immediately follows up with a second piledriver. Renegade does not pop right up this time and Orndorff gets the win.

      Verdict- Only recommended for diehard enthusiasts of late 1995 Mr. Wonderful. So probably just me.

      Then I watched Mr. Wonderful's exit from wrestling at the hands of Flair, Arn and Pillman. This got me to hate even Flair & Arn for a week or two. And, to be honest, I wouldn't come back around on Brian F'n Pillman until he joined the Hart Foundation. (Edit: That's not entirely true. I did like his short-lived alliance with Austin & Owen around September 96) It's a good segment so I will share it.



      December 11, 1995- The day the music died

      Edit: Just remembered Wonderful vs. Disco aired a few days after the big injury angle on WCW Worldwide in an all time 'lol WCW' moment. My friends and I were very confused and that's when I realized the Worldwide universe existed a week behind the real world. As far as I know it remained that way until the bitter end.

      Orndorff cut a promo vowing revenge a few weeks later. I was more pumped for this than anything else in WCW at the time. Orndorff once attacked a Horseman from behind the curtain with a broom shot and I think that was it. Mr. Wonderful never did get his revenge.

      And I tried watching the Lethal Lottery-looking match of Paul Orndorff & Jimmy Snuka vs. Ric Flair & Big John Studd from way back in 1978 but didn't get very far. Snuka was jacked but very bad in the ring, though he did take a nice backdrop. Orndorff & Snuka were babyfaces. The crowd was hot. But the lack of commentary and other things meant I couldn't get through this snoozer.

      I also failed in an attempt to watch the famous Atlantis vs. Villano III match from 2000. Twas a slow-paced opening with lots of armwork and I didn't know who was who
      Last edited by Baker; 06-27-2016, 12:27 PM.

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      • #18
        Re: Match Review Thread II (History Edition)

        I was in a Wonderful mood the other day when I realized I've seen most of Orndorff's awesome opera theme, Gary Spivey-inspired stuff. Figured I might as well finish checking out one of my favorite runs nobody ever talks about.

        Paul Orndorff vs. Renegade- WCW Main Event 10/29/95

        Renegade was a blatant Ultimate Warrior ripoff. I had forgotten just how blatant until seeing this. I had at least one friend who (briefly) thought Renegade was the real Warrior. Ahh, this is right after Orndorff broke his mirror. I think it was during a match with Johnny B. Badd. Orndorff is worried about seven years of bad luck, which, if you think about it, kind of came true. From Big Evil....

        Originally posted by Big Evil
        Holy shit, you're now realizing that Orndorff legitimately did get 7 years of bad luck after getting crippled once in the coming months, and then again in 2000 during the Natural Born Thrillers feud. SHIT.
        I'll add that WWE buying WCW cost Orndorff what was likely a cushy job training at the WCW Power Plant. Poor Mr. Wonderful....

        As for the match....some stuff happens. Renegade hits two not terrible clotheslines. Then he hotshots himself on the top rope off a missed cross body block. Sick Piledriver by Mr. Wonderful aaaand fucking Renegade pops right up. I would have really hated the Renegade if I had watched more pre-September 1995 WCW. Thankfully Orndorff immediately follows up with a second piledriver. Renegade does not pop right up this time and Orndorff gets the win.

        Verdict- Only recommended for diehard enthusiasts of late 1995 Mr. Wonderful. So probably just me.

        Then I watched Mr. Wonderful's exit from wrestling at the hands of Flair, Arn and Pillman. This got me to hate even Flair & Arn for a week or two. And, to be honest, I wouldn't come back around on Brian F'n Pillman until he joined the Hart Foundation. (Edit: That's not entirely true. I did like his short-lived alliance with Austin & Owen around September 96) It's a good segment so I will share it.



        December 11, 1995- The day the music died

        Edit: Just remembered Wonderful vs. Disco aired a few days after the big injury angle on WCW Worldwide in an all time 'lol WCW' moment. My friends and I were very confused and that's when I realized the Worldwide universe existed a week behind the real world. As far as I know it remained that way until the bitter end.

        Orndorff cut a promo vowing revenge a few weeks later. I was more pumped for this than anything else in WCW at the time. Orndorff once attacked a Horseman from behind the curtain with a broom shot and I think that was it. Mr. Wonderful never did get his revenge.

        And I tried watching the Lethal Lottery-looking match of Paul Orndorff & Jimmy Snuka vs. Ric Flair & Big John Studd from way back in 1978 but didn't get very far. Snuka was jacked but very bad in the ring, though he did take a nice backdrop. Orndorff & Snuka were babyfaces. The crowd was hot. But the lack of commentary and other things meant I couldn't get through this snoozer.

        I also failed in an attempt to watch the famous Atlantis vs. Villano III match from 2000. Twas a slow-paced opening with lots of armwork and I didn't know who was who

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        • #19
          Re: Match Review Thread II (History Edition)

          Looks like they've uploaded the complete collection of WCW Nitro on the WWE Network. I'm just so morbidly curious about 99 and 2000, my memory of that period is so vague. I've got to try again to watch through these. I've decided to skip ahead to the episode with the Benoit vs Bret tribute to Owen.

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          • #20
            Re: Match Review Thread II (History Edition)

            Looks like they've uploaded the complete collection of WCW Nitro on the WWE Network. I'm just so morbidly curious about 99 and 2000, my memory of that period is so vague. I've got to try again to watch through these. I've decided to skip ahead to the episode with the Benoit vs Bret tribute to Owen.

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            • #21
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              Because if I'm not watching late 1995 Paul Orndorff stuff I'm watching Fake Razor & Diesel stuff....

              Fake Razor & Fake Diesel vs. The Godwinns- Raw 12/16/96

              German commentary. The more Godwinns I watch the more I realize their entire gimmick was just an excuse to take shots at Bill Clinton. Even the German commentators mention Slick Willie a bunch of times. They also seem to argue over the proper way to pronounce Arkansas with one opting to pronounce it the proper way, Arkansaw, and the other pronouncing it phonetically. I wish I could speak German. Fake Razor is terrible as usual. He somehow manages to botch two irish whip spots and the wannabe Scott Hall stuff bothers me a lot more in 2016 than it did in 1996. Phineas is wearing his red shirt today. Maybe my next mission will be to find out why PIG wears white sometimes and red other times. Fakes get heat on HOG. Crowd is into it with "Henry! Henry!" chants. They pop for a Godwinns win false finish and boo the proper finish. Good job. HOG makes the hot tag after a nice clothesline. It kinda sorta breaks loose in Tulsa. HOG hits a nice looking Slop Drop on Razor as he was setting up PIG for the Razor's Edge. But Diesel follows it up by hitting a dangerous Jacknife on PIG for the surprise win. Surprising because I thought their push was over after losing a tag title match to Owen & Bulldog at In Your House It's Time the previous night. I was wrong.

              Verdict- Good finishing sequence but this was mostly crap and can only be recommended for Fake Razor & Diesel completists. So, again, probably just me.

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              • #22
                Re: Match Review Thread II (History Edition)

                Because if I'm not watching late 1995 Paul Orndorff stuff I'm watching Fake Razor & Diesel stuff....

                Fake Razor & Fake Diesel vs. The Godwinns- Raw 12/16/96

                German commentary. The more Godwinns I watch the more I realize their entire gimmick was just an excuse to take shots at Bill Clinton. Even the German commentators mention Slick Willie a bunch of times. They also seem to argue over the proper way to pronounce Arkansas with one opting to pronounce it the proper way, Arkansaw, and the other pronouncing it phonetically. I wish I could speak German. Fake Razor is terrible as usual. He somehow manages to botch two irish whip spots and the wannabe Scott Hall stuff bothers me a lot more in 2016 than it did in 1996. Phineas is wearing his red shirt today. Maybe my next mission will be to find out why PIG wears white sometimes and red other times. Fakes get heat on HOG. Crowd is into it with "Henry! Henry!" chants. They pop for a Godwinns win false finish and boo the proper finish. Good job. HOG makes the hot tag after a nice clothesline. It kinda sorta breaks loose in Tulsa. HOG hits a nice looking Slop Drop on Razor as he was setting up PIG for the Razor's Edge. But Diesel follows it up by hitting a dangerous Jacknife on PIG for the surprise win. Surprising because I thought their push was over after losing a tag title match to Owen & Bulldog at In Your House It's Time the previous night. I was wrong.

                Verdict- Good finishing sequence but this was mostly crap and can only be recommended for Fake Razor & Diesel completists. So, again, probably just me.

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                • #23
                  Re: Match Review Thread II (History Edition)

                  Goldberg vs Shane Douglas
                  WCW Monday Nitro
                  September 2000


                  Loaded up this episode of Nitro and seen this match just now. Was a short but decent match that made Goldberg look really good. Shane worked over Goldberg's arm early on by taking him outside and slamming it into the steel steps. This was after Goldberg punched through a window and had to have 96 stitches(according to Tony Shiavanne on commentary) almost ending his own career and almost having his arm amputated. Anyways, Shane works over Goldberg's arm back in the ring until Goldberg hulks up and makes the comback by throwing Shane to the canvas a couple of times. Goldberg drops Shane with a weak clothesline and then sets up to go for the spear. Some group of j-brones called the Natural Born Thrillers come out to attack Goldberg before he can hit the spear. Ref sees Goldberg being jumped mid-match but doesn't call for the DQ, the match just goes on ECW style. Shane rolls out of the ring while Goldberg destroys NBT guys with a nice flying double shoulder block. Goldberg destroys Chuck Palumbo and then the other guys I don't know who they are, like six guys altogether, Goldberg looks really good taking all six guys out. Shane pulls out his trademark chain and wraps it around his fist on the outside, holding his hand up high to make sure everyone in the arena can see what he has. Shane gets into the ring and goes to deck Goldberg with the chain fist punch while Goldberg goes for a military press on one of the Natural Born Thrillers. Goldberg drops the dude on his face and hits Shane with the spear all in one fluid motion that was awesome. Jackhammer and that's a wrap. Not anything I would rate with a star rating but I really enjoyed this.

                  As for the rest of this show it was surprisingly not bad. It was definitely better than some of the 1999 Nitros I tried to watch. A bunch of stupid shit going on, the Russo's Revenge War Games with that three tiered cage, but the show felt younger and sexier and cooler than some of the pre-Russo era WCW stuff.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Match Review Thread II (History Edition)

                    Goldberg vs Shane Douglas
                    WCW Monday Nitro
                    September 2000


                    Loaded up this episode of Nitro and seen this match just now. Was a short but decent match that made Goldberg look really good. Shane worked over Goldberg's arm early on by taking him outside and slamming it into the steel steps. This was after Goldberg punched through a window and had to have 96 stitches(according to Tony Shiavanne on commentary) almost ending his own career and almost having his arm amputated. Anyways, Shane works over Goldberg's arm back in the ring until Goldberg hulks up and makes the comback by throwing Shane to the canvas a couple of times. Goldberg drops Shane with a weak clothesline and then sets up to go for the spear. Some group of j-brones called the Natural Born Thrillers come out to attack Goldberg before he can hit the spear. Ref sees Goldberg being jumped mid-match but doesn't call for the DQ, the match just goes on ECW style. Shane rolls out of the ring while Goldberg destroys NBT guys with a nice flying double shoulder block. Goldberg destroys Chuck Palumbo and then the other guys I don't know who they are, like six guys altogether, Goldberg looks really good taking all six guys out. Shane pulls out his trademark chain and wraps it around his fist on the outside, holding his hand up high to make sure everyone in the arena can see what he has. Shane gets into the ring and goes to deck Goldberg with the chain fist punch while Goldberg goes for a military press on one of the Natural Born Thrillers. Goldberg drops the dude on his face and hits Shane with the spear all in one fluid motion that was awesome. Jackhammer and that's a wrap. Not anything I would rate with a star rating but I really enjoyed this.

                    As for the rest of this show it was surprisingly not bad. It was definitely better than some of the 1999 Nitros I tried to watch. A bunch of stupid shit going on, the Russo's Revenge War Games with that three tiered cage, but the show felt younger and sexier and cooler than some of the pre-Russo era WCW stuff.

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                    • #25
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                      Natural Born Thrillers! They were a bunch of green Power Plant graduates that included Chuck Palumbo, Sean O'Haire, Mark Jindrak, Meat Stasiak, Mike Sanders, and a couple others I'm probably forgetting.

                      Jindrak and O'Haire looked like the standouts early on, as a powerhouse tag team, that had a lot of people (like me) thinking O'Haire could become the next big thing. We were very wrong. Mike Sanders couldn't really wrestle, but was a pretty good dickhead on the mic. I saw him as a poor man's Corino, and thought he might progress into a fun mid card heel on his own. He didn't. Palumbo was kind of just there, before forming a tag team with Meat Stasiak, and perhaps it was because Stasiak was so bad, but Palumbo started showing potential there as the Michaels to Meat Jannetty.

                      My NBT rankings in 2000:

                      O'Haire
                      Sanders
                      Palumbo
                      Jindrak
                      Stasiak

                      I suppose Palumbo ended up having the best career.

                      Russo concussed himself in one of those ridiculous cage matches. The post-concussion symptoms were so bad, he couldn't book the shows anymore. So you might have just watched the show he concussed himself, or he already did it, and technically, it wasn't a Russo booked show. Maybe that's why it was good.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Match Review Thread II (History Edition)

                        Natural Born Thrillers! They were a bunch of green Power Plant graduates that included Chuck Palumbo, Sean O'Haire, Mark Jindrak, Meat Stasiak, Mike Sanders, and a couple others I'm probably forgetting.

                        Jindrak and O'Haire looked like the standouts early on, as a powerhouse tag team, that had a lot of people (like me) thinking O'Haire could become the next big thing. We were very wrong. Mike Sanders couldn't really wrestle, but was a pretty good dickhead on the mic. I saw him as a poor man's Corino, and thought he might progress into a fun mid card heel on his own. He didn't. Palumbo was kind of just there, before forming a tag team with Meat Stasiak, and perhaps it was because Stasiak was so bad, but Palumbo started showing potential there as the Michaels to Meat Jannetty.

                        My NBT rankings in 2000:

                        O'Haire
                        Sanders
                        Palumbo
                        Jindrak
                        Stasiak

                        I suppose Palumbo ended up having the best career.

                        Russo concussed himself in one of those ridiculous cage matches. The post-concussion symptoms were so bad, he couldn't book the shows anymore. So you might have just watched the show he concussed himself, or he already did it, and technically, it wasn't a Russo booked show. Maybe that's why it was good.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Match Review Thread II (History Edition)

                          I had an idea to make a deep cuts New Generation playlist for Mrs. PI which was unsurprisingly morphing into a Best of Foreign Fanatics thingamajig when I realized I don't really have any Yokozuna hidden gems. Coming to that realization reminded me of Kilgore's contrarian post from a while back in what was otherwise a Yokozuna lovefest. Kilgore asked if Yokozuna had a single great match. After blubbering something about "good squashes!" I recommended a Bret Hart match I've seen others praise. Kilgore gave that match a C rating (give or take a +/-). In other words, solid but hardly great. So now I need to find a Yokozuna gem to prove Kilgore wrong and to complete my mighty Foreign Fanatics playlist. Two options sprang to mind after a quick memory jog....

                          1-2-3 Kid- Has been a standout almost every time I've watched his New Generation stuff since I started posted here and Yoko vs. Kid seems like something that should work.
                          and
                          Tatanka- Who has proven to be a surprisingly adept monster fighter in matches with Borga & Underfaker.

                          So without further ado.....

                          Yokozuna w/ Jim Cornette & Mr. Fuji vs. 1-2-3 Kid- May 1994- Taped for Coliseum Home Video

                          Yoko starts by lumbering after Kid twice. Kid easily dodges the attacks. Kid knocks Yoko through the ropes to the floor with three back brain kicks. Yoko is back in. Kid stupidly runs into Yoko and pays for it. Kid would later hit a bunch of kicks. Yoko teeter tottered but did not fall. Kid goes up top. Yoko catches him with a ring-rattling belly to belly suplex for the win. Crowd was solidly behind Kid but they weren't molten hot or anything. Commentary was provided by the strange duo of Gorilla Monsoon and Stan Lane.

                          Verdict- Yoko remains without a great match. This was barely good for what it was. Yoko never did get knocked down in the ring and it could have used another two minutes or so.

                          Yokozuna (c) w/ Jim Cornette & Mr. Fuji vs. Tatanka- March To Wrestlemania 3/13/94

                          March To Wrestlemania was a mostly forgotten one off USA Network(?) special obviously during the Road To Wrestlemania. Pretty cool idea that I suppose was rendered obsolete as your random edition of Raw would become more noteworthy in subsequent years.

                          This is longer and better than The Kid match but still not comp tape worthy. We start out with a missed moves sequence not unlike one you would see in a Jerry Lynn/RVD match if those guys happened to be moving at quarter speed. Yoko misses an elbow. Than Tatanka misses an elbow. And Yoko follows that up by missing a splash. I'm half surprised we didn't get an indy standoff and respectful cheers afterward. This tiny venue would have been perfect for such a thing. Seriously, this building looks like a place modern ROH would run. There can't be more than a thousand people in there. Vince & the insufferable Johnny Polo are on commentary. Polo has a tape machine playing all kinds of goofy sound effects. Just dreadful stuff. Tatanka gets a big pop off a flying crossbody for two. Yoko then locks in the dreaded nerve hold for a really long time. Tatanka fights out of it and dodges a clothesline but gets decked with a nice lefty clothesline on the way back. More nerve hold. The crowd may be small but they are hot with their long and loud "USA" chants. They also perk up whenever Tatanka goes on the offensive, which he does again with a series of chops and a clothesline or two. Tope rope tomahawk chop finally knocks Yoko down. Yoko does the TIMBER sell. 1-2-NO! Crowd "oohs" for the nearfall. This is a great crowd by the way. Tatanka stupidly tries lifting Yoko for his Samoan Drop finisher. Vince calls it "the Wigwam Bomb." I'm glad that never took. I've also seen it called the "the Papoose To Go" in print form but thankfully don't recall any commentators actually using that. My friends and I referred to the Samoan Drop as "the Tatanka Slam" until at least late 95-96. Anyway, Tatanka fails to hoist Yoko up for his finish. We get a slight botch as Yoko was looking for a Samoan Drop of his own but they couldn't quite pull it off so we got a belly to belly suplex instead. Shame. They recovered nicely but Yoko hitting Tatanka's own finish on him would have been poetic or something and given the match a few extra points. Yoko follows that up with the Banzai Drop to give Tatanka his second ever televised pinfall loss. Good booking here as it made Yoko look like an absolute beast going into 'Mania. The Kid match also made Yoko look strong. You have to remember this was still during a time when heels rarely won clean against top stars and here is Yoko pulling off that difficult feat in two consecutive matches.

                          Verdict- Shave a minute or so off all the nerve holding and have Yoko hit the Samoan Drop as a dick heel move and this might fall into the recommended for all category but that didn't happen, so it doesn't.

                          Therefore the quest must continue....

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                          • #28
                            Re: Match Review Thread II (History Edition)

                            I had an idea to make a deep cuts New Generation playlist for Mrs. PI which was unsurprisingly morphing into a Best of Foreign Fanatics thingamajig when I realized I don't really have any Yokozuna hidden gems. Coming to that realization reminded me of Kilgore's contrarian post from a while back in what was otherwise a Yokozuna lovefest. Kilgore asked if Yokozuna had a single great match. After blubbering something about "good squashes!" I recommended a Bret Hart match I've seen others praise. Kilgore gave that match a C rating (give or take a +/-). In other words, solid but hardly great. So now I need to find a Yokozuna gem to prove Kilgore wrong and to complete my mighty Foreign Fanatics playlist. Two options sprang to mind after a quick memory jog....

                            1-2-3 Kid- Has been a standout almost every time I've watched his New Generation stuff since I started posted here and Yoko vs. Kid seems like something that should work.
                            and
                            Tatanka- Who has proven to be a surprisingly adept monster fighter in matches with Borga & Underfaker.

                            So without further ado.....

                            Yokozuna w/ Jim Cornette & Mr. Fuji vs. 1-2-3 Kid- May 1994- Taped for Coliseum Home Video

                            Yoko starts by lumbering after Kid twice. Kid easily dodges the attacks. Kid knocks Yoko through the ropes to the floor with three back brain kicks. Yoko is back in. Kid stupidly runs into Yoko and pays for it. Kid would later hit a bunch of kicks. Yoko teeter tottered but did not fall. Kid goes up top. Yoko catches him with a ring-rattling belly to belly suplex for the win. Crowd was solidly behind Kid but they weren't molten hot or anything. Commentary was provided by the strange duo of Gorilla Monsoon and Stan Lane.

                            Verdict- Yoko remains without a great match. This was barely good for what it was. Yoko never did get knocked down in the ring and it could have used another two minutes or so.

                            Yokozuna (c) w/ Jim Cornette & Mr. Fuji vs. Tatanka- March To Wrestlemania 3/13/94

                            March To Wrestlemania was a mostly forgotten one off USA Network(?) special obviously during the Road To Wrestlemania. Pretty cool idea that I suppose was rendered obsolete as your random edition of Raw would become more noteworthy in subsequent years.

                            This is longer and better than The Kid match but still not comp tape worthy. We start out with a missed moves sequence not unlike one you would see in a Jerry Lynn/RVD match if those guys happened to be moving at quarter speed. Yoko misses an elbow. Than Tatanka misses an elbow. And Yoko follows that up by missing a splash. I'm half surprised we didn't get an indy standoff and respectful cheers afterward. This tiny venue would have been perfect for such a thing. Seriously, this building looks like a place modern ROH would run. There can't be more than a thousand people in there. Vince & the insufferable Johnny Polo are on commentary. Polo has a tape machine playing all kinds of goofy sound effects. Just dreadful stuff. Tatanka gets a big pop off a flying crossbody for two. Yoko then locks in the dreaded nerve hold for a really long time. Tatanka fights out of it and dodges a clothesline but gets decked with a nice lefty clothesline on the way back. More nerve hold. The crowd may be small but they are hot with their long and loud "USA" chants. They also perk up whenever Tatanka goes on the offensive, which he does again with a series of chops and a clothesline or two. Tope rope tomahawk chop finally knocks Yoko down. Yoko does the TIMBER sell. 1-2-NO! Crowd "oohs" for the nearfall. This is a great crowd by the way. Tatanka stupidly tries lifting Yoko for his Samoan Drop finisher. Vince calls it "the Wigwam Bomb." I'm glad that never took. I've also seen it called the "the Papoose To Go" in print form but thankfully don't recall any commentators actually using that. My friends and I referred to the Samoan Drop as "the Tatanka Slam" until at least late 95-96. Anyway, Tatanka fails to hoist Yoko up for his finish. We get a slight botch as Yoko was looking for a Samoan Drop of his own but they couldn't quite pull it off so we got a belly to belly suplex instead. Shame. They recovered nicely but Yoko hitting Tatanka's own finish on him would have been poetic or something and given the match a few extra points. Yoko follows that up with the Banzai Drop to give Tatanka his second ever televised pinfall loss. Good booking here as it made Yoko look like an absolute beast going into 'Mania. The Kid match also made Yoko look strong. You have to remember this was still during a time when heels rarely won clean against top stars and here is Yoko pulling off that difficult feat in two consecutive matches.

                            Verdict- Shave a minute or so off all the nerve holding and have Yoko hit the Samoan Drop as a dick heel move and this might fall into the recommended for all category but that didn't happen, so it doesn't.

                            Therefore the quest must continue....

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                            • #29
                              Re: Match Review Thread II (History Edition)

                              I've loaded up the April 10th 2000 episode of Nitro, "The Reset". These Nitro's sure are fun to watch. It was like a fucking pro wrestling circus. Mark Madden is the true shits on commentary, like Rob Bartlett level shits. I've decided to just skip around and watch random episodes. I'm starting to think maybe WCW wasn't that much worse than WWF in 2000, certainly not as big of a gap in quality as the ratings would suggest. I'm not the biggest WWF 2000 fan though.

                              Russo opens the show with a shoot promo. He says that his main goal was to take down Vince Mcmahon, but there was too much politics backstage, he knew that the big changes WCW and 'the good ole boy" network would suck, Benoit knew, Eddie knew, Malenko knew, Saturn knew, Douglas knew and they're gone. Whaa!?!

                              Tank Abbott destroys Mark Madden! Alright! Tank comes out and cuts a bad promo. He says he's going to keep it short and sweet but he doesn't, he cuts like a 4 minute promo saying he's not a wrestler he's a shoot fighter. He calls out the other shoot fighter Goldberg. Based on his WCW work I'm sure pro wrestling fans think I'm crazy when I rave about Tank being a great promo/character guy, you would have to watch his UFC run to get what I'm talking about. I actually think using Tank as a commentator would have been the best way for WCW to get their money's worth out of the guy, he damn sure would have been better than Mark Madden.

                              This show was so much more sleazy for a WCW show, guys saying shit and bitch, Hogan doing a blade job. Scotty Stiener cuts a shoot promo about how Flair ran all of the talent off to the WWF so he could be a 14 time World Champion, now all of that talent is world champions up in the WWF. Shane Douglas makes his return during this promo and attacks Ric Flair. Nice. I like how they tried to play it off as if he left WCW earlier in the show. Crowd was dead for this though.

                              Bret Hart citing!

                              Things are happening. Such an interesting show.

                              This was actually not as bad as i remember it being, looking back at it now with 20/20 hindsight I guess. I remember back in the day i thought it was interesting for the first few weeks after the reset but I remember hitting a point where I just decided I was done with this garbage.
                              Last edited by ShinobiMusashi; 07-03-2016, 12:56 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Match Review Thread II (History Edition)

                                I've loaded up the April 10th 2000 episode of Nitro, "The Reset". These Nitro's sure are fun to watch. It was like a fucking pro wrestling circus. Mark Madden is the true shits on commentary, like Rob Bartlett level shits. I've decided to just skip around and watch random episodes. I'm starting to think maybe WCW wasn't that much worse than WWF in 2000, certainly not as big of a gap in quality as the ratings would suggest. I'm not the biggest WWF 2000 fan though.

                                Russo opens the show with a shoot promo. He says that his main goal was to take down Vince Mcmahon, but there was too much politics backstage, he knew that the big changes WCW and 'the good ole boy" network would suck, Benoit knew, Eddie knew, Malenko knew, Saturn knew, Douglas knew and they're gone. Whaa!?!

                                Tank Abbott destroys Mark Madden! Alright! Tank comes out and cuts a bad promo. He says he's going to keep it short and sweet but he doesn't, he cuts like a 4 minute promo saying he's not a wrestler he's a shoot fighter. He calls out the other shoot fighter Goldberg. Based on his WCW work I'm sure pro wrestling fans think I'm crazy when I rave about Tank being a great promo/character guy, you would have to watch his UFC run to get what I'm talking about. I actually think using Tank as a commentator would have been the best way for WCW to get their money's worth out of the guy, he damn sure would have been better than Mark Madden.

                                This show was so much more sleazy for a WCW show, guys saying shit and bitch, Hogan doing a blade job. Scotty Stiener cuts a shoot promo about how Flair ran all of the talent off to the WWF so he could be a 14 time World Champion, now all of that talent is world champions up in the WWF. Shane Douglas makes his return during this promo and attacks Ric Flair. Nice. I like how they tried to play it off as if he left WCW earlier in the show. Crowd was dead for this though.

                                Bret Hart citing!

                                Things are happening. Such an interesting show.

                                This was actually not as bad as i remember it being, looking back at it now with 20/20 hindsight I guess. I remember back in the day i thought it was interesting for the first few weeks after the reset but I remember hitting a point where I just decided I was done with this garbage.

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