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    Default First day of Attitude Era?

    What was officially the first episode or starting point of Attitude Era?

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    Default Re: First day of Attitude Era?

    King of the ring 1996, June 23rd

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    Survivor series 1997, Nov 9th
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    Default Re: First day of Attitude Era?

    Sometime in 96. Before Survivor Series. I always thought the stuff with Goldust and then KOTR 96 ushered us in until Vince made it official on air. Only going by WWF unless the nWo took place earlier?

    When would you say it ended? 17 right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ness View Post
    Sometime in 96. Before Survivor Series. I always thought the stuff with Goldust and then KOTR 96 ushered us in until Vince made it official on air. Only going by WWF unless the nWo took place earlier?

    When would you say it ended? 17 right?
    If we're flexible enough to potentially consider the start point to be as early as Goldust's debut in late '95, I'd like to challenge the commonly held notion that the AE ended at WMX7 and advance the idea that the AE dragged on through the Invasion, WMX8, and really finally only ended when we got the F out, instituted a brand split, and officially entered the Ruthless Aggression Era in 2002.

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    I just make it simple and consider the Attitude Era as lasting from Wrestlemania 13 to Wrestlemania 17. This thread is why I don't go overboard with dividing things into eras. Throw 10 wrestling fans together and you'll likely get 10 different opinions on when these things started and ended.

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    Default Re: First day of Attitude Era?

    Officially, December 15, 1997:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baker View Post
    I just make it simple and consider the Attitude Era as lasting from Wrestlemania 13 to Wrestlemania 17. This thread is why I don't go overboard with dividing things into eras. Throw 10 wrestling fans together and you'll likely get 10 different opinions on when these things started and ended.
    Basically this. We'd all view it as starting in in a different date, when there really is no set date.

    Now, to add more confusion...

    Another possible starting date could be March, 17, 1997.

    http://prowrestling.wikia.com/wiki/M...ht_RAW_results

    The week prior, Raw was billed as "Raw is War", which became synonymous with the Attitude Era, and also this episode had Bret cutting a promo using profanity not common for the time ("this is bullshit").

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    It was really a gradual transition that came in waves, it didn't really start overnight in one day. You had the proto-Attitude Era, the pre-season that probably begins with Pillman's got a gun and Goldust in 1996 up until the ECW Invasion(which had seeds planted in October 96) up to the launch of Shotgun Saturday Night in February 97, the way they focused in on Vader's blood at In Your House 4 way match that same month, up to Bret's promo saying Bullshit more or less acknowledging the fact that Vince is the boss. The first real wave starts at Mania 13, the bloodiest and most violent ECW style Wrestlemania ever up to that point. It progressed through that Spring, things started to get racier going into the Summer, Farooq playing the race card in the Taker feud, Foley's JR interview. Some say that Mania 13 was the end of the New Generation but to me Summerslam 97 really felt like the end of that era. September was the start of the 3rd wave, I always point to the Madison Square Garden episode of Raw from that month as a pretty good starting point but it was really a gradual build up to that show, after the MSG Raw in September it was on, they started to turn up the heat little by little, can't forget about Cornett's shoot promos on Raw at that time, Austin was also doing some crazy shit every week, the bloody/violent Hell in a Cell that October, then you had the Montreal Screwjob and then in December Vince delivers a full on disclaimer, put the women and children to bed early on Monday nights, shits about to get real. It was on. WCW was fucked.
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    Default Re: First day of Attitude Era?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leper Messiah View Post
    Basically this. We'd all view it as starting in in a different date, when there really is no set date.

    Now, to add more confusion...

    Another possible starting date could be March, 17, 1997.

    http://prowrestling.wikia.com/wiki/M...ht_RAW_results

    The week prior, Raw was billed as "Raw is War", which became synonymous with the Attitude Era, and also this episode had Bret cutting a promo using profanity not common for the time ("this is bullshit").
    This is it to me, when Raw became Raw is War and they brought in the titantron and everything. In fact, I recently started watching every episode of Raw starting from this show onwards as I consider it this beginning of the attitude era, 6 days later Austin also pretty much became a face when he passed out to the sharpshooter at WrestleMania 13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Icon View Post
    Officially, December 15, 1997:
    Side note, this kicked off the second hour of Raw, immediately following a segment where Austin taunts The Rock by throwing the IC Belt off a bridge. They basically called their shot. It's a new era and these are the two guys.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Icon
    Officially, December 15, 1997:
    I'ma go w/ this. All the stuff prior set the foundation but this made it official.

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    Default Re: First day of Attitude Era?

    I've always considered Survivor Series 1997 as the beginning, WM13 as the day it was fully cemented in stone and finally Wrestlemania 17 as the definite end of the Attitude Era.

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    Default Re: First day of Attitude Era?

    While technically still apart of the same era, the product changed a lot following SummerSlam '99. Around that time, the WWF became a publicly traded company, a second two hour show is introduced, Russo, Ferrera and Taylor left to join WCW & Vince/HHH take a more prominent role in creative and on-screen.

    Guys like Rikishi Phatu, Kurt Angle, The Hardy Boyz, Edge & Christian, The Dudley Boyz, Chris Jericho & The Radicalz become more prominent members of the show, kicking off a second wave of the era.

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    I've seen Mania 17 referred as the end of the era a lot. It may have been the end of an era talent-wise but I feel like the Attitude Era style of show was still being used well into 2006, in fact it was like things got sleazier, raunchier, and bloodier/more violent through those 2002-2006 years. The early days of the Attitude Era in 1998 still had a bit of a New Generation feel to it I think is why I still like it so much, it was like they went full retard with it going into 1999.

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    I feel like one important aspect of the Attitude era is that it was more concerned about living in the moment.

    With the era that followed, it seemed like the WWE made a more concerted effort to preserve the past and chronicle the history of Pro Wrestling in it's image. So we got things like Masked Kane, D-Generation X '06, an ECW revival and guys like HBK & The Undertaker being protected as 'legends' of the WWE. You also saw the move from the big brawls dominating the main event scene to an 80s NWA style.

    The WWE definitely got raunchier around that time, which is why I don't necessarily think the move to PG was bad in of itself.

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