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    Quote Originally Posted by mikec View Post
    His point was that frequently people misdiagnose themselves with OCD.
    This. I'm aware OCD is real, but a lot will say they have OCD because "that tile out of place in the floor is bothering me", while they don't have problems like walking out of a door, locking it, check the handle to see that it's locked, then unlock the door, to go back in and lock it, close it, then do the checking again to make sure it's locked. And possibly even unlocking and locking it again.

    My ex would get mad at me when she'd say her being a neat freak was her having "OCD", when really, it's just being particular, and not a thing that's life ruining and makes you risk being late for work or unable to function around people, like OCD causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leper Messiah View Post
    My ex would get mad at me when she'd say her being a neat freak was her having "OCD", when really, it's just being particular, and not a thing that's life ruining and makes you risk being late for work or unable to function around people, like OCD causes.
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    Or be a parent. Label the kid and give yourself a pass. Be a f#cking parent and your kid wont need a label!
    You call it a problem. I call it a solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TJ Wyoming View Post
    Or be a parent. Label the kid and give yourself a pass. Be a f#cking parent and your kid wont need a label!
    ADHD is an ability to control your impulses.
    There is no doubt that it is made much worse by poor parenting and discipline. Nobody is born being able to control all their impulses, it is learnt behavior and needs to be done when neural pathways are forming.
    So it is a real condition that is sometimes created or made worse by poor parenting, but it does occur even with diligent parents.

    Your knowledge of your sister and two kids is not a large enough sample to say anything categorically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iNCY View Post
    ADHD is an ability to control your impulses.
    There is no doubt that it is made much worse by poor parenting and discipline. Nobody is born being able to control all their impulses, it is learnt behavior and needs to be done when neural pathways are forming.
    So it is a real condition that is sometimes created or made worse by poor parenting, but it does occur even with diligent parents.

    Your knowledge of your sister and two kids is not a large enough sample to say anything categorically.
    5 kids. And they 4 are out of control. 1 is good she's my favorite. Wrong to admit, but she is my favorite. The others are just @ssholes!
    You call it a problem. I call it a solution.

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    5 instead of 2 doesn't mean your sample size is any less flawed. I'm not disputing that asshole kids and asshole parents exist. That doesn't change the fact that ADD and ADHD are disorders that exist that kids suffer from, regardless of the sort of environment they grow up in.


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    TJ's an expert on fake diseases. I mean, he does have that fatal food allergy that is undiagnosed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leper Messiah View Post
    TJ's an expert on fake diseases. I mean, he does have that fatal food allergy that is undiagnosed.
    What does that have to do with anything? 3 days in the hospital is fake? A coma is fake? "F" You! and your little cartoon icon. It's an allergy related to fish. Cant narrow it down to a spefic one @sshole!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TJ Wyoming View Post
    What does that have to do with anything? 3 days in the hospital is fake? A coma is fake? "F" You! and your little cartoon icon. It's an allergy related to fish. Cant narrow it down to a spefic one @sshole!
    I just figured it was apart of your trolling you do on here. An instance where your fake disease is real, but other's real disease is fake. Something like that.
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    My sister used to claim she was allergic to sausage because she didn't want it on pizza. If one person fakes food allergies, they all do so food allergies are bullshit and should be spanked out of existence. #TJLogic

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    OK, we have fun, we do. but in all honesty I did almost die and spent a couple nights in the hospital because of an allergic reaction. The attending doc actually used the word "miracle" about my surviving and then again when my tests came in showing that I had no long term damage to my cardio-pulmonary system. Two miracles. I'm one away from sainthood
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    Quote Originally Posted by TJ Wyoming View Post
    OK, we have fun, we do. but in all honesty I did almost die and spent a couple nights in the hospital because of an allergic reaction. The attending doc actually used the word "miracle" about my surviving and then again when my tests came in showing that I had no long term damage to my cardio-pulmonary system. Two miracles. I'm one away from sainthood
    My sisters kids don't have food allergies, so they don't exist.

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    Therefore ADHD must also not exist.

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    Wait, what? BALLOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    One is real and verifiable under the hard science of medicine. The other is a soft science to allow bad parenting to feel real.
    You call it a problem. I call it a solution.

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    Neurology is fake science?
    https://www.technologyreview.com/s/408381/a-neurological-basis-for-adhd/

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3016271/

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    Well, in all honesty, neurology has it's problems as well. One of my all time favorite research papers, Bennett et al 2010, "Neural Correlates of Interspecies Perspective Taking in the Post-Mortem Atlantic Salmon: An Argument For Proper Multiple Comparisons Correction," deals with it.

    See here for info:

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...-salmon-study/

    That said brain imaging studies have came a long way from that study Mike posted with big breakthroughs coming through things this year.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0216105919.htm


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    How many ADHD people does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Wanna go ride bikes?!

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    I didn't realize that ADHD fell into the same realm as UFO's and Bigfoot as being very real to some and complete bulls## to others. I believe ADHD exists and is very real. Anything that deals with the human brain and the decisions that people make is not going to fall under the same umbrella of medical science as say the science of the liver.For example, when you add chemical A to a liver then the reaction should be one of the following. The human brain doesn't work that way. You can't guarantee that you will get the result you are looking for because the human conscience doesn't always react in a predictable manner. That does not mean that neuroscience or psychology etc. are forms of pseudoscience(an abused term) but it deals with matters of the human conscience which people still have trouble defining. The problem is medical "professionals" who are quick to diagnose a problem in order to satisfy the parent who has already formed an opinion. Not to mention, they diagnose ADHD to make a quick buck. After all, if they say "no, your child is fine and does not exhibit signs of ADHD, then there won't be follow-up appointments and more money.

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    But that is exactly how the brain dows work. You add chemmical A and you get a result. Neuroscience is absolutely a hard science. I denounce psych all the time but neurology is gold.
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    How can you reject psych while embracing neuroscience when neuroscience uses psychology as a foundation?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Engel View Post
    How can you reject psych while embracing neuroscience when neuroscience uses psychology as a foundation?
    Yeah ... I'd be very interested in the answer to this one as well. It doesn't make sense to reject one when the other uses it heavily.

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    How can you reject psych while embracing neuroscience when neuroscience uses psychology as a foundation?
    Neuroscience, is about the nervous system Psych is about behaviors.
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    The nervous system is studied through psychology. We reduce it to cognition. Bioelectricity may be what you are thinking of, but exclude psychology and you are doing chemistry really.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Engel View Post
    The nervous system is studied through psychology. We reduce it to cognition. Bioelectricity may be what you are thinking of, but exclude psychology and you are doing chemistry really.
    Psych has no interest in nerves. You are messing this up. Psych has no interest in paralysis. Or pinched nerves. Or spinal cord injuries. That is all neuroscience.
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    [QUOTE=mikec;4449313]Neurology is fake science?
    https://www.technologyreview.com/s/408381/a

    Neurology is real. But there is a difference between physical medicine and theoretical. If a person has seizures, it's physical. Moodiness is just being a dick.
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