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    I know this is something that has been talked about before, but it's something that has "bothered" me somewhat. I'll explain...

    I never used to be a fan of the Women's Division. I just wasn't. Back in the 90's, most of the women were NOT good wrestlers, and some of them were put in matches and it seemed like they'd never been trained to do ANYTHING in the ring. They were there because they were beautiful, plain and simple. They were eye candy and not much else. As far as in ring ability, most of them did not have ANY talent. The women wrestlers they had WERE beautiful, but I'll be honest, I wasn't really interested in this part of the show. As I got older, I would start taping the shows, and I would find myself fast forwarding through the women's matches because I knew they weren't going to be anything more than slapping, rolling around the ring and pulling each other's hair. That was (most) women's wrestling in the WWE in the late 90's/early 2000s.

    As time went on, the women started becoming more talented, and a lot of the women wrestlers now credit Trish Stratus and Lita during this time for being big influences on them. The women's division NOW is the best it has ever been and I enjoy watching the matches. I have for awhile now. The women's division is completely different than it once was, and they even emphasis the "Women's Revolution" or the "Divas Revolution". This is all great. They have many talented women in the women's division, and the many of the matches are just as good (or even better) than the matches the men are putting on.

    The issue I have here is something I mentioned above: "a lot of the women wrestlers now credit Trish Stratus and Lita during this time for being big influences on them." Nobody EVER mentions Chyna. EVER. I know Chyna and The WWE had a falling out of some sorts, although I don't know the details or the specifics. I thought they should have nominated Chyna for the WWE Hall of Fame this year, but they didn't. No big deal and nothing against Lita and Trish Stratus, both of them were very talented....however, Chyna came along before they did and there was nobody EVER like Chyna. She is arguably the most influential women wrestler of all time and she gets zero credit. She wrestled men, she was the first women to compete in the Royal Rumble and competed in TWO of them, and I believe she competed in the King of the Ring tournament as well. She was also Intercontinental Champion. Trish and Lita were great, but they didn't accomplish nearly as much as Chyna. Chyna never gets mentioned but she should get much more credit than she gets.

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    She was also at one point the #1 contender for the WWE Championship at Summerslam. Supposedly Vinny Ru wanted her to actually get the match. I kinda wish she did.

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    History is written by the winners. No matter what you did if need be WWE can rewrite the past to best suit them. And if you didn't see it when it first happen and have proof they could convince you that you are just remembering it wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by X-zero
    History is written by the winners. No matter what you did if need be WWE can rewrite the past to best suit them. And if you didn't see it when it first happen and have proof they could convince you that you are just remembering it wrong.
    Good thing we have internet now for those willing to research for themselves. In part why I like some others look at Moolah's legacy differently now.

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    When you talk about the early attitude era you talk about Austin, DX, Mankind The Rock and Chyna. Yes she does deserve more credit.

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    Joan Marie Laurer, aka Chyna

    I was in love her back in the day, she was like a real life Xena. She was amazing, especially once she found her confidence in the ring and totally won over the fans. What other woman in the world of wrestling at the time could we realistically dream of seeing getting in the ring, going toe to toe with, and beating a man?

    For what she did for not just the WWE but women in general as a wrestler Joan/Chyna has always deserved to be in the HoF. Unfortunately for her and all of us who feel the same Vince doesn't agree.

    Most likely this is due to the porn she did after she left the WWE which I find highly offensive. Tammy Sytch is in the HoF AND does porn, nuff said. Joan deserves to be honored, remembered and respected for all the great she has done in her life and all the lives her battles both good and bad have touched.

    The sad part is that eventually she WILL be in the HoF, but it will be too late. Perhaps that one little sign of respect from the WWE and Vince could have helped provide Joan with the strength to find peace within herself before she died.

    RIP Chyna, I miss you

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    No woman has ever been as over as Chyna was, and that's a fact. She was Ic champ and nobody batted an eyelid because she was over enough and convincing enough to deserve it

    She may not be the greatest worker of all time, but I can't think of anyone else I would consider greater when you take everything into account

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Nichols View Post
    When you talk about the early attitude era you talk about Austin, DX, Mankind The Rock and Chyna. Yes she does deserve more credit.
    I like this. She was definitely a big part of the attitude era and she deserves to be recognized among the other people you mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Nichols View Post
    When you talk about the early attitude era you talk about Austin, DX, Mankind The Rock and Chyna. Yes she does deserve more credit.
    Yes. And Sable, who also deserves more credit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilgore
    Yes. And Sable, who also deserves more credit.
    Big draw indeed! From what I heard, Sable has distanced herself from wrestling. However, I see HOF nods for her and Chyna w/in 2 yrs.

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    Not sure how much more credit Chyna needs. The HOF is nothing but a gimmick. Chyna's legacy does not need to be validated by it. She was so over WWE could not keep her in the women's division. The girls now credit Trish and Lita, because they have bodies like Trish and Lita. Chyna was a female Brock Lesnar basically.

    Hell, this is what FR had to write of her when she passed:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Engel View Post
    Not sure how much more credit Chyna needs. The HOF is nothing but a gimmick. Chyna's legacy does not need to be validated by it.
    You know that lots of fans and even people in the business take the Hall of Fame WAAAY more seriously than that. Stop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Engel View Post
    Not sure how much more credit Chyna needs. The HOF is nothing but a gimmick. Chyna's legacy does not need to be validated by it. She was so over WWE could not keep her in the women's division. The girls now credit Trish and Lita, because they have bodies like Trish and Lita. Chyna was a female Brock Lesnar basically.

    Hell, this is what FR had to write of her when she passed:
    My point being she never gets mentioned whatsoever. EVER. The women in the division now always mention Lita and Trish, but never Chyna. She came and did things that were unheard of and she had a much bigger part of the attitude era than people remember. Yet, she's one of those wrestlers that the WWE has tried to forget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RIH
    My point being she never gets mentioned whatsoever. EVER. The women in the division now always mention Lita and Trish, but never Chyna. She came and did things that were unheard of and she had a much bigger part of the attitude era than people remember. Yet, she's one of those wrestlers that the WWE has tried to forget.
    You know how WWE is w/ ppl they're on the outs with - persona non grata.

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    Sable was in playboy, Mickey James had a porn leak and do did Rollins. I think it has to do with Chyna openly smoking cigs and Vince hates smoking so

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    I can't really think of a way Chyna doesn't get credit. Yeah no one air mentions her but most people don't get mentioned on air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theend View Post
    I can't really think of a way Chyna doesn't get credit. Yeah no one air mentions her but most people don't get mentioned on air.
    I think it's probably more in WWE history lore, like when they do their Attitude Era circle jerks, Chyna (and Sable) are lucky to get honorable mentions, when they were drawing better ratings than almost everybody that get mentioned ahead of them. I don't think anybody is expect WWE to build statues and pray to the monuments before every Raw, just rightful recognition when the period gets brought up.


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    I am not really hardnosed agreeing. I just think she gets a lot of love and recognition. My glass is half full.
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    Hard to believe it's been a year already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RIH View Post
    My point being she never gets mentioned whatsoever. EVER. The women in the division now always mention Lita and Trish, but never Chyna. She came and did things that were unheard of and she had a much bigger part of the attitude era than people remember. Yet, she's one of those wrestlers that the WWE has tried to forget.
    This is because most people see Chyna as a wrestler, and not a "women's" wrestler. Trish and Lita girls look at and think, that could be me. They look at Chyna the way most men look at Brock or Andre, as something almost superhuman.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Engel
    This is because most people see Chyna as a wrestler, and not a "women's" wrestler. Trish and Lita girls look at and think, that could be me. They look at Chyna the way most men look at Brock or Andre, as something almost superhuman.
    I can see this. She was after all the first woman to be IC Champ and she started off as Triple H's bodyguard rather than in the Women's Division.

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    Yeah, this is where I see it. She should not really be compared against girls but men. Her feud with JJ proved she can hang.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Theend View Post
    I can't really think of a way Chyna doesn't get credit. Yeah no one air mentions her but most people don't get mentioned on air.
    Well I pointed out a specific reason why she deserves more credit (in my opinion). The women's division has really taken off and when it comes to any of the women talking about growing up and wanting to be in the WWE, they mention Trish and Lita. Trish and Lita. Trish and Lita. They always got mentioned. I'm not complaining that they get mentioned, I just think it's a shame that Chyna DOESN'T get mentioned. Chyna came along BEFORE they did and she accomplished much more than they did, and she was a big part of the attitude era.


    Quote Originally Posted by Engel View Post
    This is because most people see Chyna as a wrestler, and not a "women's" wrestler. Trish and Lita girls look at and think, that could be me. They look at Chyna the way most men look at Brock or Andre, as something almost superhuman.
    I like this post, and this could very well be why the women are quick to point to Lita and Trish first. Part of me thinks that some of the reason has to do with the WWE and Chyna having issues in the past. if it was just about the look, how come more of the females nowadays don't mention Sable? (I know some people have mentioned this)

    I just wonder if the issues between WWE and Chyna are greater than we thought, and if the WWE is having a hard time getting over it. Does Triple H still have animosity? I have no idea...

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    Well another thing to remember, is that a lot of women coming into WWE at 19 or 20 now were too young to remember Chyna in WWE at all. Figure Chyna left WWE 16 years ago, so the average 25 year old new NXT star would have been 9 when Chyna was finished with WWE. They would also had Trish vs Lita however during their teenage years.


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    Chyna deserves a lot of credit for challenging the gender barriers within wrestling, however she won't get credit in the women's division like a Lita or Trish as she was never really in the division and was portrayed as above the rest of the girls.

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