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    I dont care what nobody says, Mitch Richmond is the greatest Warrior I've ever seen
    Over Mullin and Hardaway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Real LT View Post
    Oh I can't wait to see this.

    Considering you have one of the most overrated players of all-time as your #2 this should be good.

    As for my prediction, going with the Cavs in 7.
    I've got the Cavs winning in 7. They swept my Raptors so they better repeat.

    In regards to the bold; I'd actually go a step further and say he WAS the most overrated player of all time. Couldn't win sh*t without Shaq; and then couldn't do sh*t again until Gasol (who really doesn't get enough credit AND that Kobe did get Finals MVPs).

    And just because I feel the need to clarify; I don't think he was a bad player. I think most people just vastly overrate him and I'm guessing it's likely due to where he played.
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    i mean that's your opinion he is most overrated but that title belongs to lebron... in my opinion... And lebron couldn't win a ring either until he took his talent to miami...

    ...i dont see a repeat not as long as the real king and current best Steph is playing... along with klay and durant and dray...

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I've got the Cavs winning in 7. They swept my Raptors so they better repeat.

    In regards to the bold; I'd actually go a step further and say he WAS the most overrated player of all time. Couldn't win sh*t without Shaq; and then couldn't do sh*t again until Gasol (who really doesn't get enough credit AND that Kobe did get Finals MVPs).

    And just because I feel the need to clarify; I don't think he was a bad player. I think most people just vastly overrate him and I'm guessing it's likely due to where he played.
    Not just where he played, but HOW he played. Everybody remembers the pretty moves, and the rare big shots he hit, and completely forgets about how horribly inefficient he was, how bad his shot selection was, and how he missed the big time shots far FAR more than he hit them.

    Here is the definitive argument as to why Kobe Bryant is OVERRATED.


    Lakers in the 3peat era without Kobe - 25-7 (0.781 win%)
    Lakers overall 3peat. reg season record - 181-65 (0.767 win%)LAKERS ARE BETTER WITHOUT KOBE HOLDING THEM BACK

    From 99/00 to 03/04
    Lakers - 262-92 (0.740 win%) with Shaq
    Lakers - 25-31 (0.446 win%) without Shaq
    Shaq = won all those rings by himself

    Kobe = ruined the undefeated record in 2001 Finals G1
    Shaq had 44-20-5-1 on 61%

    Kobe = missed game winner
    Iverson 48 pts
    kobe 15 pts on 7-22 (32%) shooting

    Shaq led the playoffs in defensive win shares in 00 and 01.....over Kobe the sidekick

    2000 WCF
    portland?...game 7??..
    kobe- 3-7 in the 4th quarter
    shaq- 3-3 fgs....3-4 fts
    shaq outplayed kobe in the 4th!!!!
    Shaq in the 4th = 0 misses
    Kobe in the 4th = 4 misses
    without kobe, they would have been leading, not losing

    2000 Finals
    Shaq won Game 2 without Kobe... no value
    Shaq 40-24-4-0-3 on 61% to win without Kobe
    - Kobe 19 ppg on 37% in 4 full games of play
    - Shaq 38-17-2-1-3 on 61%

    in the 4th quarter of game 6 of the 2000 finals,
    shaq was 6-6
    and kobe was 1-8 in the title winning game
    shaq ALWAYS carried kobe.....always

    Kobe= #1 in FGA vs 1999 spurs thru 4 games....damn a series loss....
    Kobe= #1 in FGA vs 2003 spurs thru 6 games....damn a series loss....

    PLAYOFF USAGE%
    00 Shaq= 31.2...Kobe= 26.7 - Champs
    01 Shaq= 31.6...Kobe= 30.3 - Champs
    02 Shaq= 31.8...Kobe= 29.8 - Champs
    03 Shaq= 30.2...Kobe= 34.0 - Lose 2nd rd

    2000 playoffs title run....RING
    Shaq = 30.7 ppg
    Kobe = 21.1 ppg

    2001 playoffs title run....RING
    Shaq = 30.4 ppg
    Kobe = 29.4 ppg

    2002 playoffs title run....RING
    Shaq = 28.5 ppg
    Kobe = 26.6 ppg

    2003 playoffs title run...NO RING
    Shaq = 27.0 ppg
    Kobe = 32.0 ppg

    2003 WCSF
    Kobe = 90 bricks
    Shaq = 102 attempts

    2004 Finals
    Kobe = 90 bricks
    Shaq = 84 attempts

    2005
    no Shaq
    Kobe missed playoffs

    Shaq made ECF
    Shaq = 2nd place in MVP
    Kobe behind PJ Brown in MVP voting in 2005.... look it up

    2006
    Heat 10-13 without Shaq, but 42-17 with him
    Shaq = title
    Kobe = 1st round exit

    Phil had NEVER lost a series after leading, until Kobe the cancer ruined it

    2005/06 and 2006/07
    Lakers w/ Kobe = 84-73 (0.535 win%)
    Lakers without Kobe = 5-2 (0.714 win%)

    Smush Kwame and Luke were better off without Kobe!!!!!


    2008 Finals
    Game 4 - outscored by James Posey in the biggest NBA Finals collapse
    Game 6
    - outscored by Ray Allen and Garnett
    - Rondo 21-7-8-6 on 40%
    - Kobe 22-3-1-1 on 32%- Kobe played 42 mins in that game, no Celtic played 39 mins

    2011 WCSF
    Kobe - 23-3-3-2 on 46% in 37 mpg
    Terry - 20-2-4-1 on 59% in 31 mpg
    Only sweep of Phil's career

    NBA Finals
    Kobe teammates in the Finals = 1009-2161...46% shooting...
    Kobe= 333-808 .412% in 37 career finals games...
    Kobe= 38-108 .351% in the 5 title clinchers...Kobe teammates win in Spite of him

    Kobe= 152-367 .414% in career elimination games...
    Kobe= 43-113 .380% in career game 7s...
    Kobe= career 46-155 .297% on game winners....
    Kobe= career 7-28 .250% on playoff game winners....

    Lakers 137-28 .830% in 5 title yrs when kobe shoots LESS THAN 20 fgas
    Lakers 47-41 .534% in 5 title yrs when kobe shoots MORE THAN 25 fgas

    Lakers were 52-7 .881% in 09 + 10 with Kobe taking fewer than 20 fgas
    That win% is slightly higher than the 95/96 Bulls!!!!

    ...yet he chooses to shot-jack

    Kobe= bricked +100 shots vs the 02 kings....including 3 game WINNERS....ZERO field goals in the 4th Q and overtime of G7...

    GAME SEVENS.....
    Kobe= 1-pt @ 2nd half vs 2006 Suns in the 1st round exit.......
    Kobe= 4-12 vs 2009 Rockets in the Conference Semifinals......
    Kobe= 6-24 vs 2010 Celtics in the Finals......
    Kobe= 7-16 vs 2012 Nuggets in the 1st round......

    FIRST ROUND CHOKER....
    Kobe= 26.0 ppg on 35.3% vs 2002 Blazers....
    Kobe= 24.4 ppg on 38.6% vs 2004 Rockets....
    Kobe= 23.5 ppg on 40.8% vs 2010 Thunder....
    Kobe= 22.5 ppg on 43.7% vs 2011 Hornets......

    Kobe= 42 pts, 0 ast with 15 bricks in G5 in the 2012 Playoffs vs OKC...no other Laker attempted 14 shots...


    It really can't be summed up any better than that.

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    ...go celtics play hard tonight its more interesting when cavs lose and to see the most overrated nba star reaction after lol...

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    Lebron just pick up his fourth foul and it's only the second quarter great opportunity for Boston to take it

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    ...LeBron needs more than an army of help...

    ...cavs get with the best cav on the team in Irving...
    Last edited by thelist; 05-23-2017 at 09:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Gr8t I Is View Post
    My brother you aint never lied. My homie is a huge blazers fan and that was the first thing he said when Aldridge left. He wasnt going to fit in nobodys system besides Portland. I dont think Spurs will trade him this off season, but for sure next off season.

    Also I cant stand band wagon fans. I 'm like where were you when the Warriors were losing? Or who's your favorite Warrior besides Steph, Klay and Dray? I dont care what nobody says, Mitch Richmond is the greatest Warrior I've ever seen.
    Yea I mean it was a surefire drop-off for LaMarcus from his last Portland game til his 1st San Antonio game..This video's a perfect example...Remember when Aldridge played with some courage?


    I love people's reactions when I tell them the Warriors had seasons where they didn't win more than 35 games...Or the fact that the Oakland Coliseum would always be packed for Warriors games no matter what shitty, forgettable player(Udoh, plus many others!) was on the team...Enough with the debate, both you and LT...Run TMC got me into basketball back in 89..All 3 of those motherfuckas are equally good because they comprised a trio that should've won an NBA Title far as I'm concerned..


    I mean look at this game..Minus the turnovers and Klay only hitting a couple shots (yet he's still consistent on defense) this is how Golden State needs to play the next 4 games.

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    ...love lebron miss an easy got to get my dunk...

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    I love people's reactions when I tell them the Warriors had seasons where they didn't win more than 35 games...Or the fact that the Oakland Coliseum would always be packed for Warriors games no matter what shitty, forgettable player(Udoh, plus many others!) was on the team...Enough with the debate, both you and LT...Run TMC got me into basketball back in 89..All 3 of those motherfuckas are equally good because they comprised a trio that should've won an NBA Title far as I'm concerned..
    On offense yes, few teams were more fun to watch, but that team was garbage defensively and weak up front. Karl Malone, David Robinson and Hakeem Olajuwon used to have field days with the Warriors just because of that. When the Warriors could score enough to keep pace it made for exciting match ups but when their shots went cold it got ugly real quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulblazed View Post
    One of my roomate's senseis is a season ticket holder.
    That's not a sentence you see every day...

    Anyway, hope the Cavs put away Boston quickly so they can get rested for Round 3. Those games are gonna be insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Real LT View Post
    On offense yes, few teams were more fun to watch, but that team was garbage defensively and weak up front. Karl Malone, David Robinson and Hakeem Olajuwon used to have field days with the Warriors just because of that. When the Warriors could score enough to keep pace it made for exciting match ups but when their shots went cold it got ugly real quick.
    Yea I'll fully admit that...Run TMC had shitty defense...Malone especially fucked them up...Nonetheless I still loved watching them over most teams in the 90s such as the Knicks, Jazz, Bulls and Rockets. They could go on runs outta nowhere...

    I remember this moment..It was a nice upset of the Spurs at the time, especially as you mentioned due to Robinson killing the Warriors in the paint.

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    Great stuff. Anyone who said Iverson had the best crossover never saw Tim Hardaway play.

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    Lmao.

    Anyone see Shaq and Barkley going at it last night? They were shooting hard. A must watch.

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    Loved Chris Mullin. He had a pretty great career considering the guy was an alcoholic early in his career.

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