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    Factoring in both kayfabe and non-kayfabe accomplishment, is Flair's 89 the best year for a wrestler in history?

    Steve Austin's 2001 is another one on the short list IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Show View Post
    Factoring in both kayfabe and non-kayfabe accomplishment, is Flair's 89 the best year for a wrestler in history?

    Steve Austin's 2001 is another one on the short list IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baker
    20. Salman Hashimikov- This Russian shooter held the IWGP title for over a month.
    *Shin, Strobe, tell me more about this guy. I've seen the name over the years but that's about it.
    With the Cold War thawing, Inoki brought in legit Soviet athletes and that was a short-lived story within the promotion. Hashimikov was an amateur wrestler and beat Bam Bam Bigelow on the April Tokyo Dome Show, won the IWGP Title from Vader on the May Osaka Dome Show and dropped it to Choshu in the July.

    You could argue Shota Chochishvili, a judoka, should be ranked higher, considering he ended Inoki's 11-year Martial Arts Title reign by dominating him on the April Tokyo Dome Show, before losing it back to him on the May Osaka Dome Show. Both matches main evented their respective shows. Beating Inoki clean and becoming the only other man to hold that championship means more than beating Vader for the IWGP Title.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Show View Post
    Factoring in both kayfabe and non-kayfabe accomplishment, is Flair's 89 the best year for a wrestler in history?

    Steve Austin's 2001 is another one on the short list IMO.
    This is where kayfabe arguments can get interesting. I think cheating to win means more in kayfabe, since it is your own cunning, than someone else interfering on your behalf or getting intentionally DQed say. Austin won the title due to Vince interference, only kept it against Benoit due to Vince meddling and had to get himself DQed as he couldn't beat Angle. In kayfabe, that isn't that strong really.

    If we count house shows, then Flair lost the belt to Steamboat, failed to beat him in 20 straight attempts to get the title back, and then won the final one. So he was 1-21 against Steamboat in Feb - May 1989. Not exactly strong. Of course we know what the purpose of house shows are outwith kayfabe, but this is where Japanese promotions having few title matches (4-5 per year) makes more sense in kayfabe terms. The fact that titles very rarely change hands on house shows but change hands on TV/PPV far more regularly is almost kayfabe-breaking itself.

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    Started working on 1988 & 2000 a week or so back. Got bored. So now it's time to do some math and determine who is the wrestler of the 90s.

    *There ended up being many surprises.

    Formula: 15 points for a 1st place finish. 14 points for 2nd place. Etc. Until 1 point for a 15th place finish.

    Ranking/Name/Years in Top 15/Point Total/(Best Finish)

    1. Hulk Hogan: 7-89 (#1 in 1991)
    2. Mitsuharu Misawa(!): 8-84 (#1 in 1997)
    3. Bret Hart: 8-82 (#1 in 1992 & 1994)
    4. Ric Flair: 7-78 (#3 in 1990, 1991, 1992 & 1994)
    5. Sting: 9-71 (#2 in 1990 & 1992)
    6. Shawn Michaels: 5-52 (#1 in 1996)
    7. Vader: 6-47 (#1 in 1993)
    8. Lex Luger(!): 5-45 (#2 in 1991)
    9. Steve Austin: 4-42 (#1 in 1998)
    10. Undertaker: 6-41 (#2 in 1997)
    11. Shinya Hashimoto: 5-41 (#4 in 1997)
    12. Great Muta/Keiji Mutoh: 4-37 (#3 in 1999)
    13. Diesel/Kevin Nash: 4-36 (#1 in 1995)
    14. Randy Savage: 4-28 (#4 in 1992)
    15. Razor Ramon/Scott Hall: 5-26 (#5 in 1994)
    16. Ultimate Warrior: 3-22 (#1 in 1990)
    17. Yokozuna: 2-21 (#2 in 1993)
    18. The Rock: 2-20 (#5 in 1998)
    18. Rob Van Dam: 2-20 (#1 in 1999)
    18. Kenta Kobashi: 2-20 (#4 in 1998)
    21. Giant/Big Show: 3-18 (#2 in 1996)
    22. Jumbo Tsuruta: 2-18 (#5 in 1991)
    23. Dustin Rhodes/Goldust: 2-17 (#7 in 1996)
    24. Tatsumi Fujinami: 2-16 (#4 in 1991)
    25. Stan Hansen: 2-15 (#5 in 1990)

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    I'm more shocked with Hogan as #1, Misawa at #2 though is pretty cool. Luger always grades out high on kayfabe rankings, I'm surprised Shawn and Vader finished ahead of him tbh.

    I've actually started my own lists comprising the top 10 of every year based on the PWI monthly top 10 (10 points for 1, 9 points for 2 etc.) which started for the ranking period of July 1983. I'm up to 1997 right now. I might post it here or make a new thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Icon View Post
    I'm more shocked with Hogan as #1, Misawa at #2 though is pretty cool. Luger always grades out high on kayfabe rankings, I'm surprised Shawn and Vader finished ahead of him tbh.

    I've actually started my own lists comprising the top 10 of every year based on the PWI monthly top 10 (10 points for 1, 9 points for 2 etc.) which started for the ranking period of July 1983. I'm up to 1997 right now. I might post it here or make a new thread.
    You need to post after going through all that work.

    The system I devised wasn't very midcarder/cruiserweight/ECW friendly. The list of people who didn't crack the Top 25 kind of reads like a who's who of 90s wrestling-Foley(!), Owen, Bulldog, Arn, Rude, Windham, Perfect, DDP, Kawada, Regal, Eddie, Benoit, Malenko, Rey, Jericho, Liger(!), Jarrett, ECW in general.

    I'll probably come back to this at some point. 1988 was giving me problems. No AJPW Triple Crown made things difficult on that front. Plus Honkytonk Man is tough to rate. WCW was such a mess in 2000. I got tired of trying to sort that out. I did learn Eddie Guerrero had a sneakily successful 2000. He had two long (by 2000 standards) title reigns I had no memory of whatsoever.

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    Ooh, I have a request. So these are based on the calendar year grading periods not the cover date of the magazine. The September rankings wouldn't be revealed until the January issue for example.

    1983
    1. Harley Race- 58
    2. Andre The Giant- 54
    3. Dusty Rhodes- 43
    4. Nick Bockwinkel- 42
    5. Hulk Hogan- 25
    6. David Von Erich- 23
    7. Larry Zbyszko- 18
    8. Barry Windham- 15
    9. Bob Backlund- 14
    10. Ric Flair- 10


    1984
    1. Ric Flair- 130
    2. Andre The Giant- 103
    3. Dusty Rhodes- 81
    4. Hulk Hogan- 80
    5. Rick Martel- 70
    6. Harley Race- 62
    7. Kerry Von Erich- 49
    8. Wahoo McDaniel- 22
    9. Jumbo Tsuruta- 19
    10. Nick Bockwinkel- 14

    1985
    1. Ric Flair- 140
    2. Rick Martel- 114
    3. Hulk Hogan- 113
    4. Dusty Rhodes- 83
    5. Magnum TA- 55
    6. Kerry Von Erich- 52
    7. Tito Santana- 32
    8. Sgt. Slaughter- 29
    9. Tully Blanchard- 26
    10. Nikita Koloff- 21

    1986
    1. Ric Flair- 130
    2. Hulk Hogan- 117
    3. Randy Savage- 81
    4. Magnum TA- 57
    5. Dusty Rhodes- 55
    6. Nikita Koloff- 52
    7. Stan Hansen- 40
    8. Nick Bockwinkel- 27
    9. Kerry Von Erich- 25
    10. Rick Rude- 18

    1987
    1. Hulk Hogan- 114
    2. Ric Flair- 112
    3. Nikita Koloff- 77
    4. Randy Savage- 60
    5. Lex Luger- 58
    6. Barry Windham- 58
    7. Steve Williams- 41
    8. Rick Steamboat- 29
    9. Curt Hennig- 23
    10. Nick Bockwinkel- 22

    1988
    1. Ric Flair- 114
    2. Randy Savage- 103
    3. Lex Luger- 74
    4. Jerry Lawler- 62
    5. Ted DiBiase- 47
    6. Sting- 46
    7. Hulk Hogan- 44
    8. Curt Hennig- 33
    9. Barry Windham- 29
    10. Dusty Rhodes- 24

    1989
    1. Hulk Hogan- 108
    2. Lex Luger- 81
    3. Ric Flair- 81
    4. Randy Savage- 72
    5. Sting- 57
    6. Rick Steamboat- 47
    7. Jerry Lawler- 43
    8. Ultimate Warrior- 42
    9. Larry Zbyszko- 32
    10. Rick Rude- 26

    1990
    1. Ultimate Warrior- 109
    2. Lex Luger- 84
    3. Ric Flair- 76
    4. Sting- 63
    5. Curt Hennig- 60
    6. Hulk Hogan- 53
    7. Kerry Von Erich- 48
    8. Jerry Lawler- 31
    9. Larry Zbyszko- 26
    10. Rick Rude- 22

    1991
    1. Lex Luger- 108
    2. Hulk Hogan- 103
    3. Ric Flair- 71
    4. Sting- 64
    5. Curt Hennig- 53
    6. Bret Hart- 34
    7. Jerry Lawler- 26
    8. Sgt. Slaughter- 23
    9. Steve Austin- 23
    10. Tatsumi Fujinami- 19

    1992
    1. Rick Rude (!)- 94
    2. Randy Savage- 70
    3. Ric Flair- 69
    4. Bret Hart- 58
    5. Sting- 58
    6. Ron Simmons- 38
    7. Eddie Gilbert- 27
    8. Ultimate Warrior- 23
    9. Roddy Piper- 22
    10. Shawn Michaels- 21

    1993
    1. Vader- 109
    2. Bret Hart- 86
    3. Yokozuna- 66
    4. Dustin Rhodes- 50
    5. Sting- 46
    6. Shawn Michaels- 45
    7. Lex Luger- 34
    8. Ric Flair- 34
    9. Razor Ramon- 30
    10. Undertaker- 22

    1994
    1. Bret Hart- 106
    2. Razor Ramon- 86
    3. Ric Flair- 86
    4. Sting- 63
    5. Hulk Hogan- 53
    6. Steve Austin- 39
    7. Lex Luger- 36
    8. Diesel- 30
    9. Yokozuna- 27
    10. Undertaker- 27

    1995
    1. Diesel- 106
    2. Sting- 93
    3. Hulk Hogan- 81
    4. Razor Ramon- 76
    5. Bret Hart- 64
    6. Randy Savage- 51
    7. Undertaker- 38
    8. Shawn Michaels- 38
    9. Vader- 37
    10. Jeff Jarrett- 34

    1996
    1. Shawn Michaels- 112
    2. The Giant- 61
    3. Undertaker- 57
    4. Lex Luger- 55
    5. Sting- 52
    6. Ric Flair- 45
    7. Bret Hart- 43
    8. Hulk Hogan- 37
    9. Goldust- 30
    10. Randy Savage- 27

    whew.... I'll do the rest in separate posts when I get around to it, these go to June 2012.

    When I initially did 1983 it was a guesstimate for the whole year. Adjusted now to use only the actual rankings starting in July 1983.
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    At quick glance, it looks safe to say Flair was the wrestler of the 80s. With Hogan turning out to be the wrestler of the 90s, it's kind of a shame in a way that we didn't get a series of Hogan/Flair clashes throughout 1990 to bridge the transition. Would've had to have been better than Warrior's lackluster reign and title programs, right?

    God, now I'm starting to fantasize about how epic a WWF vs. WCW WM6 card could've been... Hogan vs. Flair on top for the undisputed title, Warrior vs. Sting in a face-painted clash of former Bladerunners, Savage vs. Steamboat in a WMIII return match, Lex Luger vs. Rick Rude in a battle of the bodies (bonus points for each having double initials)... Maybe RNRX vs. The Rockers? Road Warriors, Steiners, the Skyscrapers, and Doom vs. Demolition, the Hart Foundation, the Twin Towers, and Powers of Pain in respective tag team showdowns?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Icon View Post
    Ooh, I have a request. So these are based on the calendar year grading periods not the cover date of the magazine. The September rankings wouldn't be revealed until the January issue for example.

    whew.... I'll do the rest in separate posts when I get around to it, these go to June 2012.
    The Icon earning his name with all this work. I'll add my rankings to what he came up with.

    1983
    1. Nick Bockwinkel
    2. Harley Race
    3. Ric Flair
    4. Andre The Giant
    5. Bob Backlund
    6. Hulk Hogan
    7. Dusty Rhodes
    8. Greg Valentine
    9. David Von Erich
    10. Don Muraco

    1984
    1. Ric Flair
    2. Andre The Giant
    3. Hulk Hogan
    4. Dusty Rhodes
    5. Harley Race
    6. Rick Martel
    7. Kerry Von Erich
    8. Jumbo Tsuruta
    9. Wahoo McDaniel
    10. Nick Bockwinkel

    1985
    1. Ric Flair
    2. Rick Martel
    3. Hulk Hogan
    4. Dusty Rhodes
    5. Magnum TA
    6. Kerry Von Erich
    7. Tito Santana
    8. Tully Blanchard
    9. Nikita Koloff
    10. Sgt. Slaughter

    1986
    1. Ric Flair
    2. Hulk Hogan
    3. Randy Savage
    4. Magnum TA
    5. Dusty Rhodes
    6. Stan Hansen
    7. Nikita Koloff
    8. Kerry Von Erich
    9. Rick Rude
    10. Nick Bockwinkel

    1987
    1. Hulk Hogan
    2. Ric Flair
    3. Nikita Koloff
    4. Randy Savage
    5. Lex Luger
    6. Barry Windham
    7. Steve Williams
    8. Rick Steamboat
    9. Curt Hennig
    10. Nick Bockwinkel

    1988
    1. Ric Flair
    2. Randy Savage
    3. Lex Luger
    4. Jerry Lawler
    5. Sting
    6. Ted DiBiase
    7. Hulk Hogan
    8. Curt Hennig
    9. Barry Windham
    10. Dusty Rhodes

    1989
    1. Hulk Hogan (2)
    2. Lex Luger [6]
    3. Ric Flair (1)
    4. Randy Savage (3)
    5. Sting (10)
    6. Ultimate Warrior (5)
    7. Jerry Lawler (8)
    8. Rick Steamboat (4)
    9. Great Muta (11)
    10. Larry Zbyszko (7)

    1990
    1. Ultimate Warrior (1)
    2. Lex Luger [6]
    3. Ric Flair (3)
    4. Curt Hennig (10)
    5. Sting (2)
    6. Hulk Hogan (4)
    7. Kerry Von Erich (16)
    8. Jerry Lawler (14)
    9. Rick Rude
    10. Randy Savage

    1991
    1. Lex Luger (2)
    2. Hulk Hogan(1)
    3. Ric Flair (3)
    4. Sting [6]
    5. Curt Hennig (11)
    6. Bret Hart (8)
    7. Jerry Lawler (10)
    8. Sgt. Slaughter (13)
    9. Steve Austin
    10. Tatsumi Fujinami (4)

    1992
    1. Rick Rude (!) [6]
    2. Ric Flair (3)
    3. Randy Savage (4)
    4. Bret Hart (1)
    5. Sting (2)
    6. Ron Simmons (5)
    7. Eddie Gilbert
    8. Roddy Piper
    9. Shawn Michaels (8)
    10. Ultimate Warrior (15)

    *I'm more surprised by Gilbert at #7 than Rude at #1. Had to look him on Cagematch just to make sure I had his 1992 right. Yep. He competed in USWA & GWF. A few title reigns but Top 10 seems like a major stretch.

    1993
    1. Vader (1)
    2. Bret Hart (4)
    3. Yokozuna (2)
    4. Dustin Rhodes (8)
    5. Sting (5)
    6. Shawn Michaels (7)
    7. Lex Luger [6]
    8. Ric Flair (9)
    9. Razor Ramon (13)
    10. Undertaker (15)

    1994
    1. Bret Hart (1)
    2. Razor Ramon (5)
    3. Ric Flair (3)
    4. Sting (13)
    5. Hulk Hogan (2)
    6. Steve Austin (7)
    7. Lex Luger
    8. Diesel (4)
    9. Yokozuna (10)
    10. Undertaker

    1995
    1. Diesel (1)
    2. Sting (10)
    3. Hulk Hogan (2)
    4. Razor Ramon (7)
    5. Bret Hart (3)
    6. Randy Savage (8)
    7. Shawn Michaels [6]
    8. Undertaker
    9. Vader (12)
    10. Jeff Jarrett (11)

    1996
    1. Shawn Michaels (1)
    2. The Giant (2)
    3. Undertaker (26)
    4. Lex Luger (13)
    5. Sting (14)
    6. Ric Flair (4)
    7. Bret Hart (12)
    8. Hulk Hogan (3)
    9. Goldust (7)
    10. Randy Savage (10)

    *I had Undertaker relatively low this year because, for the first time ever, he actually lost a good amount of matches (to Mankind).

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    Quote Originally Posted by PI View Post
    At quick glance, it looks safe to say Flair was the wrestler of the 80s. With Hogan turning out to be the wrestler of the 90s, it's kind of a shame in a way that we didn't get a series of Hogan/Flair clashes throughout 1990 to bridge the transition. Would've had to have been better than Warrior's lackluster reign and title programs, right?

    God, now I'm starting to fantasize about how epic a WWF vs. WCW WM6 card could've been... Hogan vs. Flair on top for the undisputed title, Warrior vs. Sting in a face-painted clash of former Bladerunners, Savage vs. Steamboat in a WMIII return match, Lex Luger vs. Rick Rude in a battle of the bodies (bonus points for each having double initials)... Maybe RNRX vs. The Rockers? Road Warriors, Steiners, the Skyscrapers, and Doom vs. Demolition, the Hart Foundation, the Twin Towers, and Powers of Pain in respective tag team showdowns?
    I like this idea. Only drawback is Sting was injured in real life but I'll play along anyway....

    10. Hogan vs. Flair
    9. Warrior vs. Sting
    8. Demolition vs. Road Warriors
    7. Rude vs. Luger (coming soon to a fanfic draft near you!)
    6. Hart Foundation vs. Steiners
    5. Twin Towers vs. Rock 'N Roll Express
    4. Randy Savage vs....Arn Anderson? (Steamboat wasn't in WCW at the time)
    3. Rockers vs. Midnight Express
    2. Mr. Perfect vs. Brian Pillman
    1. Doom vs...Powers of Pain?

    Hot Takes: Tag team wrestling was still going strong. Both promotions were a little light on upper card babyfaces.
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    Gilbert was actually hovering between 5 and 6 on the top ten for over half of 1992 (ahead of the likes of Flair, Sting and Warrior) while simultaneously holding the GWF and USWA titles.

    Undertaker was just consistent in '96 placing in the top 10 for the whole year on the strength of being top 3 in the WWF for the first half and placing no lower than 7th in the fed for the remainder.

    I'll finish off the nineties this weekend then finish the rest probably never.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PI View Post
    God, now I'm starting to fantasize about how epic a WWF vs. WCW WM6 card could've been... Hogan vs. Flair on top for the undisputed title, Warrior vs. Sting in a face-painted clash of former Bladerunners, Savage vs. Steamboat in a WMIII return match, Lex Luger vs. Rick Rude in a battle of the bodies (bonus points for each having double initials)... Maybe RNRX vs. The Rockers? Road Warriors, Steiners, the Skyscrapers, and Doom vs. Demolition, the Hart Foundation, the Twin Towers, and Powers of Pain in respective tag team showdowns?
    Quote Originally Posted by Baker View Post
    I like this idea. Only drawback is Sting was injured in real life but I'll play along anyway....

    10. Hogan vs. Flair
    9. Warrior vs. Sting
    8. Demolition vs. Road Warriors
    7. Rude vs. Luger (coming soon to a fanfic draft near you!)
    6. Hart Foundation vs. Steiners
    5. Twin Towers vs. Rock 'N Roll Express
    4. Randy Savage vs....Arn Anderson? (Steamboat wasn't in WCW at the time)
    3. Rockers vs. Midnight Express
    2. Mr. Perfect vs. Brian Pillman
    1. Doom vs...Powers of Pain?

    Hot Takes: Tag team wrestling was still going strong. Both promotions were a little light on upper card babyfaces.
    This will be a lot of fun.

    Wrestlemania VI had a bloated 15 matches. So Starrmania '90 or Wrestlecade '90 will too (injuries don't exit)!

    Hulk Hogan vs. Ric Flair

    Randy "Macho King" Savage vs. Sting

    The Ultimate Warrior vs. Sid Vicious

    "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. "The Total Package" Lex Luger

    Demolition vs. Road Warriors

    Jake "The Snake" Roberts vs. "The Enforcer" Arn Anderson

    The Hart Foundation vs. The Steiner Bros.

    Mr. Perfect vs. The Great Muta

    "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes vs. Barry Windham

    The Rockers vs. The Midnight Express

    "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan vs. "Doctor Death" Steve Williams

    "The Million Dollar Man" Ted DiBiase vs. "Flyin'" Brian Pillman

    The Twin Towers vs. The Skyskrapers

    Bad News Brown vs. Cactus Jack

    The Orient Express vs. Rock 'n' Roll Express


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    Fuck yeah, @Baker & @Kilgore! I'm friggin' McLovin those cards!

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    Here are the rankings based on cumulative points from the monthly top 10 for 1997

    1. Undertaker- 92
    2. Lex Luger- 69
    3. Bret Hart- 56
    4. Steve Austin- 52
    5. Shawn Michaels- 43
    6. Diamond Dallas Page- 40*
    7. Owen Hart- 40*
    8. Eddie Guerrero- 38
    9. Dean Malenko- 37
    10. The Giant- 34

    1998, 1999 and an overall 90's countdown to come! I will also add yearly point totals to each of the other lists, don't know why I didn't do that before.

    *Tie breaker is appearances on the top ten, if still tied then actual PWI 500 ranking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Icon View Post
    Here are the rankings based on cumulative points from the monthly top 10 for 1997

    1. Undertaker- 92 (2)
    2. Lex Luger- 69 (8)
    3. Bret Hart- 56 (3)
    4. Steve Austin- 52 (7)
    5. Shawn Michaels- 43 [6]
    6. Diamond Dallas Page- 40* (19)
    7. Owen Hart- 40* (12)
    8. Eddie Guerrero- 38 (23)
    9. Dean Malenko- 37 (24)
    10. The Giant- 34 (15)

    1998, 1999 and an overall 90's countdown to come! I will also add yearly point totals to each of the other lists, don't know why I didn't do that before.

    *Tie breaker is appearances on the top ten, if still tied then actual PWI 500 ranking.
    Great work. I added in my 1997 rankings.

    I noticed Rude didn't just win in 1992. He won rather bigly.

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    Great work. I added in my 1997 rankings.

    I noticed Rude didn't just win in 1992. He won rather bigly.
    You'll also notice I had some screwy math with some of the years so the rankings you copied from me are a bit different now. Everything should be correct now.

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    Top 10 for 1998
    1. Steve Austin- 116
    2. Goldberg- 79
    3. Sting- 65
    4. Undertaker-57
    5. Diamond Dallas Page- 52
    6. The Rock- 48
    7. Bret Hart- 43
    8. Ken Shamrock- 38
    9. Hulk Hogan- 23
    10. Owen Hart- 22

    Austin crushed it with the strongest year seen since Flair's dominance in the 80's. Hulk Hogan and Sting return to the top 10 while Ken Shamrock had a particularly strong year.

    1999
    1. Steve Austin- 78
    2. The Rock- 71
    3. Goldberg- 54
    4. Sting- 54
    5. Triple H- 37
    6. Hulk Hogan- 36
    7. Mitsuharu Misawa- 34
    8. Keiji Muto- 33
    9. Undertaker- 32
    10. Mick Foley- 31

    1999 on the other hand was a real year of parody even more so than '97. Austin this time has by far the lowest point total for a number 1. The Japanese aces started get recognition while 5-10 are really bunched.

    1990's (for wrestlers with at least 10 points)

    1. Sting- 558


    2. Bret Hart- 504


    3. Lex Luger- 436


    4. Ric Flair- 396


    5. Hulk Hogan- 392


    6. Steve Austin- 336


    7. Undertaker- 326


    8. Shawn Michaels- 290


    9. Vader- 222


    10. Scott Hall- 193


    11. Kevin Nash- 181
    12. Randy Savage- 181
    13. Curt Hennig- 166
    14. Ultimate Warrior- 156
    15. Rick Rude- 155
    16. Goldberg- 133
    17. The Rock- 120
    18. Diamond Dallas Page- 114
    19. Big Show- 109
    20. Jerry Lawler- 107
    21. Yokozuna- 99
    22. Sid- 85
    23. Goldust- 84
    24. Jeff Jarrett- 77
    25. Owen Hart- 73
    26. Triple H- 71
    27. Mitsuharu Misawa- 64
    28. Ron Simmons- 57
    29. Davey Boy Smith- 51
    30. Kerry Von Erich- 50
    31. Eddie Guerrero- 46
    32. Ken Shamrock- 46
    33. Dean Malenko- 45
    34. Mick Foley- 43
    35. Barry Windham- 43
    36. Roddy Piper- 37
    37. Taz- 35
    38. Tony Anthony- 34
    39. Keiji Muto- 33
    40. Eddie Gilbert- 28
    41. Kane- 28
    42. Larry Zbyszko- 26
    43. Marc Mero- 26
    44. Kensuke Sasaki- 25
    45. Arn Anderson- 24
    46. Sgt. Slaughter- 23
    47. Tatsumi Fujinami- 23
    48. The Patriot- 21
    49. Bam Bam Bigelow- 20
    50. Nikita Koloff- 20
    51. Rey Mysterio- 19
    52. Rick Steamboat- 19
    53. Konnan- 18
    54. Kenta Kobashi- 18
    55. Steven Regal- 17
    56. Bob Backlund- 17
    57. Rob Van Dam- 16
    58. Chris Jericho- 16
    59. Scott Steiner- 15
    60. Jim Duggan- 15
    61. Raven- 14
    62. Chris Benoit- 14
    63. X-Pac- 12
    64. Booker T- 12
    65. Brian Christopher- 11
    66. Stan Hansen- 11
    67. Shane Douglas- 10
    68. Terry Funk- 10

    Sting takes the top spot despite missing the entirety of 1997. Flair and Hogan still had very strong decades after dominating the 80's. Sid, while not featured during any particular year made a big impact when he was active still cracking the top 25. This was a very interesting and involved month of work. profightdb.com was a huge help along with filing in some of the blanks with my own back issues.
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    2000

    *Looks like I'll come back to this from time to time when I'm bored. 2000 marked the end of the 2nd great wrestling boom of my lifetime. WWF remained on fire for much of the year but even their ratings declined upon moving Raw to TNN. ECW was actually doing their best numbers ever attendance-wise but had lost their TNN deal and continued to lose talent at a rapid pace. WCW was a trainwreck. Even Japan saw major changes with most of the AJPW roster defecting to start NOAH. Wrestling as we knew it would change for the worst a few months into 2001.

    http://www.profightdb.com/pwi-500/2000.html

    1. Triple H (1)- Held WWF title twice for combined reigns lasting over 5 months. His 1st reign is one of the all time great championship runs despite not quite lasting even 4 months. He packed like a decade's worth of goodness into that reign- two all time classics vs. Cactus. Retiring Foley. Being first heel to win a 'Mania main event. A memorable title loss to Rock. A bunch of good/great tv matches w/ Rikishi, Jericho, Benoit & tags. He would go onto have even more classics w/ Rock, Y2J, Benoit and a memorable feud with Angle. Plus he became the first (unofficial) undisputed champion since like 1959 when he beat Benoit, who had never lost the WCW championship & ECW Champ Tazz while holding the WWF championship. 2000 HHH is the closest competition to 1989 Flair for GOAT year imo.

    2. The Rock (2)- Held WWF title twice lasting almost 5 months. Won Rumble. Was super over. Had some classics with HHH and a bunch of other fun matches.

    3. Kensuke Sasaki (10)- Held IWGP Championship for over 9 months.

    4. Kurt Angle (13)- Became a breakout star and my favorite wrestler. Held IC & European championships simultaneously early in the year. Won KOTR. Was over 2 months into his first WWF Championship reign when the year ended. Was the greatest sports entertainer in all of sports entertainment.

    5. Booker T (61)- Held WCW Title multiple times for almost 4 combined months to bring some much-needed stability to that title after an absurd amount of title changes early in the year. Became WCW's top face.

    6. Jeff Jarrett (5)- Finally became a World Champion by holding the WCW title multiple times for about 2 combined months (thought his reigns lasted longer). Also held US title for over 3 months in multiple reigns. Became WCW's top heel.

    7. Scott Steiner (12)- Held US Title for almost 3 months. Ended the year over a month into his first reign as WCW champion. Took Jarrett's spot as WCW's top heel.

    8. Justin Credible [6]- Held ECW championship for over 5 months (it felt longer). Also held ECW tag titles w/ Lance Storm twice for almost 3 combined months.

    9. Jushin Liger (8)- Held IWGP Junior Heavyweight championship for almost 7 months.

    10. Kenta Kobashi (4)- Surrendered the AJPW Triple Crown almost 4 months into his reign when he joined much of the roster in defecting to NOAH.

    11. Rhino (19)- ECW's breakout star ended the year still holding the TV title he controlled for almost 8 months of the year over the span of two reigns.

    12. Sid (18)- Held WCW Championship for 2.5 months early in the year which is like an eternity in the wacky world of 2000 WCW.

    13. Chris Benoit (3)- Finally won WCW Championship. Left the company for WWF a few days later with his fellow Radicalz. Made a big impact in WWF by main eventing pay per views and holding the IC title multiple times for over 3 combined months.

    14. Eddie Guerrero (20)- Didn't remember him having a very successful 2000 but he held the IC title for 2.5 months and European title for almost 4 after jumping to WWF with the Radicalz.

    15. Chris Jericho (9)- Had multiple IC title reigns lasting over 2 combined months. Also held European title for a day. Had a long rivalry with Benoit and memorable matches with HHH.

    16. Lance Storm (40)- Held ECW tag titles w/ Justin Credible twice for almost 3 combined months early in the year. Jumped to WCW where he made an immediate impact by holding the US title multiple times for almost 4 combined months and briefly held the WCW US, Cruiserweight & Hardcore titles simultaneously. Like Impact Player partner Justin Credible, this was his career year.

    17. Genichiro Tenryu (90)- Ended the year over 2 months into his first AJPW Triple Crown reign since the 80s.

    18. Undertaker (NA)- Made a memorable return from injury in May. Remained at the top of the card though he was unable to win the WWF Championship in multiple attempts.

    19. Mike Awesome (7)- Held ECW Championship for over 3 months early in the year. Infamously jumped to WCW while still holding the title in April. Didn't achieve the same success in his new home.

    20. Kevin Nash (50)- Had a few brief WCW Championship reigns.

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    2001

    -The year US wrestling became a boring monopoly.

    1. Steve Austin (2)- Biggest landslide win in the history of this project. You'd have to go all the way back to the 50s to find a more decisive #1. Won Royal Rumble. Won a memorable Wrestlemania main event turning heel in the process. Held WWF title twice for almost 9 combined months. Also held WWF tag title for a while with HHH.

    2. Kazuyuki Fujita (34)- Probably the most unlikely #2 ever. Don't know much about this guy other than he had an MMA background and (allegedly) a freakish Homer Simpson-style skull. Held IWGP title for almost 9 months.

    3. The Rock (14)- Held WWF Title for over a month and had two WCW Title reigns lasting over 3 combined months. Missed some time due to the Hollywood commitments that would soon put an end to his full time wrestling career.

    4. Kurt Angle (1)- Had two WWF title reigns spanning over 2 combined months. Also held the WCW championship for a few days. Had memorable feud & alliance with Austin.

    5. Keiji Mutoh (4)- Held AJPW Triple Crown for over 6 months. Popularized the Shining Wizard.

    6. Jun Akiyama (39)- Defeated Misawa to become the 2nd GHC champion in a failed attempt to make him the ace of NOAH. Held said title for over 5 months.

    7. Mitsuharu Misawa (8)- Became first NOAH GHC champion. Held the title for over 3 months.

    8. Booker T (5)- Was the last real WCW Champion. Took the belt to WWF. Feuded with big dogs Rock & Austin. Was a lot of fun.

    9. Chris Jericho (9)- Became Undisputed Champion by beating Austin & Rock on the same night. You know this because he mentioned it every week for years. Also held IC, Tag & WCW Titles as he became a legit main eventer.

    10. Minoru Tanaka (23)- Held IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship for almost 7 months.

    11. Rob Van Dam (59)- Had multiple Hardcore title reigns lasting around 4.5 months and turning that belt into less of a joke than it had been. Was super popular despite technically being an Alliance heel. Mixed it up with big dogs Austin, Angle & 'Taker. Main evented a few pay per views.

    12. Edge (20)- Quietly had a breakthrough year. Won KOTR. Had multiple IC title reigns lasting over 3 combined months. Won tag titles again in another memorable 'Mania stunt show. Feuded with Christian.

    13. Genichiro Tenryu (12)- Held AJPW Triple Crown for over 5 months.

    14. Rhino (10)- Was the last real ECW champ & ECW TV champ. Jumped to WWF upon ECW's demise. Didn't bring the belts with him. Was surprisingly successful taking Rock & Jericho to the limit and even growing in popularity despite Alliance status before a serious injury derailed his career.

    15. Jeff Hardy (17)- Another quiet breakout year. Jeff defeated HHH(!) to win the IC title. Also had a few Hardcore & Tag title reigns. Was involved in several memorable matches featuring ladders.

    16. Triple H [6]- Continued his 2000 form until the (in)famous busted quad injury in May put him out of action. Despite a lengthy, successful career he never did regain his prime 2000-01 form. Held IC & Tag titles. Had a memorable war with Austin, a fun 'Mania encounter with 'Taker, and a famous Raw match w/ Austin vs. Canadian Chrises.

    17. Chris Benoit (3)- Held IC & Tag titles. Was on his way to become a legit main eventer before an injury (Damn there were a lot of injuries this year) put him on the shelf for over a year. His May-June is perhaps the greatest single month any wrestler ever had from a match quality standpoint.

    18. Christian (29)- Another quietly successful year. Christian held the IC & Tag titles. Was involved in a few more memorable matches involving ladders. Feuded with Edge.

    19. Matt Hardy (22)- Quietly successful year. Blah blah blah. Apparently held the European Title for over 4 months. I don't remember this at all. Also held tag titles w/ Jeff. Had a few more memorable matches involving ladders.

    20 Undertaker (11)- Was honestly in poor form most of the year BUT he was a continual main event presence and found his form again with a late year heel turn. Had fun matches w/ HHH & RVD and held some tag gold with Kane.
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    I started working on 1988, 2002 & 2003 at various points but decided to throw in the towel for the time being. Decided to add 1989, 2000 & 2001 to my 90s rankings instead.

    1990s Rankings

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    And the updated list

    Greatest Wrestlers From 1989-2001

    1. Hulk Hogan: 8-103 (#1 in 1991)
    2. Mitsuharu Misawa: 9-93 (#1 in 1997)
    3. Ric Flair: 8-93 (#1 in 1989)
    4. Bret Hart: 8-82 (#1 in 1992 & 1994)
    5. Sting: 10-77 (#2 in 1990 & 1992)
    6. Steve Austin: 5-57 (#1 in 1998 & 2001)
    7. Lex Luger: 6-55 (#2 in 1991)
    8. Great Muta/Keiji Mutoh: 6-53 (#3 in 1999)
    9. Shawn Michaels: 5-52 (#1 in 1996)
    10. Vader: 7-51 (#1 in 1993)
    11. The Rock: 4-47 (#2 in 2000)
    12. Undertaker: 6-41 (#2 in 1997)
    13. Randy Savage: 5-41 (#3 in 1989)
    13. Shinya Hashimoto: 5-41 (#4 in 1997)
    15. Diesel/Kevin Nash: 4-36 (#1 in 1995)
    16. Ultimate Warrior: 4-33 (#1 in 1990)
    17. Razor Ramon/Scott Hall: 5-26 (#5 in 1994)
    18. Kenta Kobashi: 3-26 (#4 in 1998)
    19. Rob Van Dam: 3-25 (#1 in 1999)
    20. Kurt Angle: 2-24 (#4 in 2000 & 2001)
    21. Yokozuna: 2-21 (#2 in 1993)
    22. Triple H: 3-20 (#1 in 2000)
    22. Jushin Liger: 3-20 (#7 in 1998)
    22. Jumbo Tsuruta: 3-20 (#5 in 1991)
    25. Kensuke Sasaki: 2-20 (#3 in 2000)
    26. Booker T: 2-19 (#5 in 2000)
    27. The Giant/Big Show: 3-18 (#2 in 1996)
    28. Rick Rude: 3-17 (#6 in 1992)
    29. Dustin Rhodes/Goldust: 2-17 (#7 in 1996)
    30. Tatsumi Fujinami: 2-16 (#4 in 1991)
    31. Jeff Jarrett: 2-15 (#6 in 2000)
    31. Stan Hansen: 2-15 (#5 in 1990)
    33. Jerry Lawler: 3-14 (#8 in 1989)
    34. Bill Goldberg: 1-14 (#2 in 1998)

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