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    This seems...maddening. I wish the clip didn't cut off, I want to hear her full explanation. Maybe she meant no one claimed Trump had ties to Russian "SPIES", but rather with high ranking Russian government officials? That's the only thing I can come up with that doesn't make this look like major backpedaling, and even then it's still kinda iffy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dat Guy View Post
    Blame it on the Medicaid abusers. It's hilarious, because I was bitching about this shit pre-election. I'm talking about YEARS. This just gets me going, man.

    Trump is going to make the military the strongest and best equipped that it ever was. What's wrong with that?

    Trump is going to make able bodied people who abuse the system (Medicaid & welfare) work for their shit. What's wrong with that?

    Trump is going to lower our taxes. What's wrong with that?

    Trump becoming president has taken the DOW to record highs? What's wrong with that?

    Nothing is wrong with any of that. One word describes all of those actions. GREAT! That's what it's going to make America, too. Great again. No more lazy shit and no more whiny pussies.
    If Trump somehow does get his way on military spending, you can expect major debt and problems in the economy. That kind of investment just can't be done, even with the cuts he's making elsewhere.

    The stuff you are seeing on the DOW is not real progress. It's called a bubble. It'll pop eventually and the fact Trump will be in charge when it does should scare everyone.

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    Worth noting that Trump has no plan to "make able bodied people who abuse the system work for their shit". There's no policy that says anything to that effect, there are no forthcoming changes that he's proposed to TANF programs at this point.

    (I also think there's an argument to be made that block granting welfare money to the state has led to wasteful spending by states of welfare dollars at a considerably higher level than fraud cases. Actual "welfare" grants from the federal government haven't gone up in more than 20 years.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikec View Post
    Worth noting that Trump has no plan to "make able bodied people who abuse the system work for their shit". There's no policy that says anything to that effect, there are no forthcoming changes that he's proposed to TANF programs at this point.

    (I also think there's an argument to be made that block granting welfare money to the state has led to wasteful spending by states of welfare dollars at a considerably higher level than fraud cases. Actual "welfare" grants from the federal government haven't gone up in more than 20 years.)
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    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...cid=spartandhp

    I think it's pretty safe to say now that Flynn might be the worst cabinet pick ever.

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    ...and yet this Presidents whole angle in winning the election is vetting people who are entering this country from Arab countries.

    Can't make this shit up really.

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    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...cid=spartandhp


    My only answer for this is. "Bitch please"

    Clinton fired 93 US Attorneys in a single day and not a damn peep from the press. Now all of sudden the press and the Democrats want to make a big issue out of Trump letting go of less than half that number. Simply absurd.

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    Technically that article is about one US Attorney Trump said would stay on, with as many Republicans as Democrats quoted that he shouldn't be fired.

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    And yet most new administrations clean house like this, so on the face of it Trump's administration isn't doing anything out of the ordinary.

    But this is kinda weird:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.00a007429f94

    The departure of Bharara, the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, capped a confusing sequence of events, beginning Friday, when acting deputy attorney general Dana Boente began making calls to 46 prosecutors asking for their resignations by the end of the day. Requests for resignation are a normal part of a transition of power from one administration to another, although both the Bush and Obama administrations let their U.S. attorneys leave gradually.

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    On Thursday, a White House aide called and left a message for Bharara, saying the president wanted to speak with him, though the prospective topic of discussion was unclear. Bharara consulted his staff and determined that it would probably be a violation of Justice Department protocols for him to speak directly to the president, this person said. That protocol exists in order to prevent political interference — or the appearance of political interference — with Justice Department work.

    Bharara then contacted the chief of staff for the attorney general, Jody Hunt, told him of his own determination, and the two agreed that it would be a violation of the Justice Department protocol for Bharara to call the president back. Bharara then called the White House staffer who had left the message and said he wouldn’t be talking to the president, and explained why, this person said.

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    On Wednesday, watchdog groups asked Bharara to probe whether Trump has received payments or other benefits from foreign governments through his business interests in violation of the Constitution’s emoluments clause, which prohibits top officials from receiving favors or payments from foreign governments.

    So he couldn't take a call from Trump because it might be seen to interfere with (presumably) a case he's actively working on. Trump subsequently fired him. (Insert tinfoil hat here)

    If Trump did initially want him to stay on, and then all of a sudden demands the resignation of like all the federal prosecutors three months into his administration, what's going on? Why now and not earlier? Clinton aside, Obama/Bush let these guys take some time to prepare and transfer power while the Trump admin insists the prosecutors clean out their offices like NOW without having replacements waiting in the wings.

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    Yeah I thought it was obvious the issue was with firing the guy actively investigating Trump that Trump said he wasn't going to fire, not letting everyone else go like every President ever has done.

    This has been happening since Day 1 and it's very dangerous. Criticism of Trump keeps getting misconstrued by his supporters or called fake news and it's very worrying.

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    Yeah I thought it was obvious the issue was with firing the guy actively investigating Trump that Trump said he wasn't going to fire, not letting everyone else go like every President ever has done.

    This has been happening since Day 1 and it's very dangerous. Criticism of Trump keeps getting misconstrued by his supporters or called fake news and it's very worrying.
    Trump supporters trust him and his administration and literally no one else, and they trust him implicitly. Unless an outlet is confirming what this administration says, it is libtard fake news.

    And this is exactly what Trump supporters and people that are simply tired of what they believe America has become have wanted. A complete dismantling. COMPLETE dismantling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RT View Post
    Yeah I thought it was obvious the issue was with firing the guy actively investigating Trump that Trump said he wasn't going to fire, not letting everyone else go like every President ever has done.

    This has been happening since Day 1 and it's very dangerous. Criticism of Trump keeps getting misconstrued by his supporters or called fake news and it's very worrying.
    It's actually easier to look at it in this light rather than any other. If it's fake news; then it doesn't matter.

    It's why the Trump quote: "The leaks are real but the news is fake because everything they say is fake" is so important.
    Well, the leaks are real. You’re the one that wrote about them and reported them; I mean, the leaks are real. You know what they said, you saw it, and the leaks are absolutely real. The news is fake because so much of the news is fake.
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    Trump's good at hiding his shady shit within other things, like trying to use only Obama's list for his travel ban, so he could get a portion of what he wanted done while deflecting criticism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RagnarokMike View Post
    Trump's good at hiding his shady shit within other things, like trying to use only Obama's list for his travel ban, so he could get a portion of what he wanted done while deflecting criticism.
    Yeah but there is literally nothing shady about firing a US attorney. They serve solely at the discretion of the President. It dosen't matter one red cent that Trump changed his mind, that is HIS prerogative to do so and his alone.

    The Dems are trying to make a mountain out of less than an ant hill here

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    Yeah but there is literally nothing shady about firing a US attorney. They serve solely at the discretion of the President. It dosen't matter one red cent that Trump changed his mind, that is HIS prerogative to do so and his alone.

    The Dems are trying to make a mountain out of less than an ant hill here
    You ... kind of seem to be side stepping that it's not only them making noise about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    You ... kind of seem to be side stepping that it's not only them making noise about it.
    I don't give a damn who's making noise about it. The decision is 100% up to the president and Trump is completely within the bounds in firing Bharara. There is no story here whatsoever.

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    Again, with LT. It is a non-story. Every president does this. Part of the spoils of winning.

    Not even the Dems making an issue of this. It is the 24-7 news cycle looking for stories to draw clicks.

    There are real issues going on, and shit like this just diverts attention from them. We need to know what the fuck is going on with Russia and this election. While the focus is on Trump, we know nothing else. Did they also try to effect the house and senate races? Did they act in the primaries to set up Clinton vs Trump? Did Clinton have ties with them as well?

    We have ethics real issues. How much can the president profit from his station? Trump is doing things now, but things could become far worse. Trump I think is at least trying to be a good president in his own way. But what the GOP place someone that goes all out? The lines need to be drawn at some point. Trump's advisors have many conflicts of interests that need to be addressed as well. Every president's brand goes up after being president, but with people like Tillerson and Mnuchin we have the potential for serious ethical breaches.

    Next, we have the issue of straight out lies being presented by countless GOP people to their constituents to the point where they are refusing to even speak directly to their voters. Many were outright lied to about healthcare and now will get screwed hardcore by their representatives. The questions here are who should these people represent? Right now they represent very different interests than that of their voters and to some this is a serious problem, moreso than anything the president has done. Trump again, in his own way, takes accountability, but many congressmen are not taking any and just avoiding their voters outright when the voters are not wondering why the AHA will be repealed when they were told it would not, only Obamacare.

    Finally, we have the issue of debt. Our nation is falling apart and needs to be repaired, we are deploying overseas again, we have increasing domestic issues such healthcare and we have corporations and individuals who want their campaign payouts and tax cuts that they were promised by the GOP. Bush and Obama both doubled the debt ceiling but we cannot keep doing this. Debt ceiling is now at 17 trillion and the US tends to use all available debt it can and double this ceiling every 8 years. If this continues we will be spending more than our GDP really soon. This is a problem well beyond cutting any one program and despite claiming to be concerned about it, the GOP is about to run up a huge debt meeting all the promises Trump made, in particular, the cost of the wall, tax breaks and upgrading the military. Echoing this issue, is the issue of personal debt, with most Americas now being heavily in debt from the educational debt bubble. The average student has now $37,172 debt, while the average income is $50,556. Soon though, the same thing we face in congress will hit students where debt surpassing income. As this happens the amount of loans being actively repaid will decrease, and right now it is only 3/5th being repaid. This bubble will burst, and when it does, it may collapse the economy, but right now US educational spending remains out of control.

    So we have serious issues that need to be discussed, but instead too many are sucked into the 24-7 news cycle worrying about shit like Conway sitting on a couch or individual attorney general appointments.


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    The health care debate is fascinating right now. Trump's not an ideologue and doesn't know fuckall about healthcare (anyone want to point to anything he's said that suggests otherwise?), so it seems like it's a horse race to his heart. Do the political people who worry about electability convince him that the AHCA is a bad bill because it'll be bad for old people and poor people, aka his base? Does the establishment convince him it's the only thing that will pass? Does the freedom caucus somehow get any extra sweeteners like making money spent on health care premiums taxable income?

    Feels like Dems can stop the warring Republicans from passing anything because there is no overwhelming republican majority. Maybe eventually we'll just fix the ACA with Dems and the last few remaining Republican moderates?

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    Odds are the Dems are just going to sit back, play things safe, and let the GOP tear each apart at this point. It is unreal to see the level of fighting that is taking place within the GOP about medicaid. It also looks like a moderate side of the GOP is starting to get balls again, and opposing the tea party. Guys like Tom Cotton outright saying there is no stage two or three to the AHCA is crazy. Mid-terms are going to be interesting as we finally have a three party system in the US, but the right wingers and centralists are both with the GOP. Or if not that far, the GOP is at least split now hard between right wing and extreme right wing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Real LT View Post
    I don't give a damn who's making noise about it. The decision is 100% up to the president and Trump is completely within the bounds in firing Bharara. There is no story here whatsoever.
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    Again, with LT. It is a non-story. Every president does this. Part of the spoils of winning.

    Not even the Dems making an issue of this. It is the 24-7 news cycle looking for stories to draw clicks.
    I am SO CLOSE to you guys on this but a little voice in the back of my head is going, why did Bharara refuse to resign? Why, after deciding this bipartisan man who goes after people from both parties could keep his job, did Trump decide he had to go and he had to go NOW?

    It's most likely nothing, but still...

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    Yeah but there is literally nothing shady about firing a US attorney. They serve solely at the discretion of the President. It dosen't matter one red cent that Trump changed his mind, that is HIS prerogative to do so and his alone.

    The Dems are trying to make a mountain out of less than an ant hill here
    This is incorrect. Trump tried to fire me as well because I've been involved in litigation against him six times over the last 25 years. It's not that he's firing people, it's why he's firing people that is the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikec View Post
    I have never read a post of yours and thought hacker.
    And yet that is exactly what Trump accused me of, along with leaking "top secret" information.

    For all of you that don't know, I'm one of the federal judges he is "feuding" with. He tried to fire me for prosecuting him multiple times as well as revealing his extensive criminal history. I've been involved with more than 1000 cases in my career as a prosecutor and public defender. Six of those cases involved him and he lost every one of them. He tried to fire me and my courthouse for it.
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    A federal judge has ruled on Trump's new travel ban. Same result as the first time.
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    And the federal judge comes from this state.

    My god. Our tourism numbers might skyrocket.

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    And the federal judge comes from this state.

    My god. Our tourism numbers might skyrocket.
    It might. I live in a resort town that gets more than 1 million tourists a year and my opinion on the ban matches this verdict. Trump essentially tried to make it illegal to be from specific countries and tried to halt evacuation efforts from multiple areas of open warfare.
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