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    How would it work if WWE had a guy come out and say that they were gay? And how it work if said person announced that they were gay in real life, too?

    I got the idea from two different sources, both of them television shows.

    The first is a show on the USA Network called Necessary Roughness. I watched the last few episodes of the second season that played on TV lately, and (this is a spoiler) they had a football player come out and announce that he was gay. It was considered a big deal and the press was all over it and everything. He was even afraid to come out because he thought he would be ostracized from his team and perhaps all of football.

    The second show is The Wire. If you've never seen The Wire (and if you haven't, watch it, it's a great show), there is a character named Omar. He robs drug dealers. He takes their money and/or their drugs for himself, and when the show begins, he's been doing this successfully for about seven or eight years. He is a very hated man among drug crews and narcotics traffickers for this reason. But there is also one other reason why he's so hated - because he's gay. Because in real life, there is a stereotype that gay men are usually feminine and/or soft and weak. That attitude is especially true among gangsters on the streets, and so it only infuriates them even more that this "toggaf" (as they put it in the show) is out there ripping and robbing them, leaving them holding nothing but their you-know-what.

    Point is, imagine a guy came out and said he was gay, or was somehow "outed" in some way. The unique thing could be that he's gay but also extremely tough in the ring (that's where the Omar comparison comes in, because it goes against the stereotype of being a sissy.) Goldust was the same way. "Exotic" Adrian Street was the same way. Both weren't really gay but rather trannies, but when they got in the ring, they were still tough competitors. A wrestler who came out as a homosexual on the show (whether he really was one in real life or not) could be handled in the same way.

    Imagine, for example, if two guys who were assholes (imagine like Christian and Jericho when they had their friendship back in 2003/2004) made a passing comment to one another backstage that they think so and so is gay. But then overtime, it turns into a serious question. Eventually, you get a segment where someone insults so and so for being gay. The person confronts the person who has made such homophobic remarks, and is asked if he really is gay. The person says "what if I am?" Maybe he even suggests that said homophobe is furious because he can't stand the idea of a gay man being tougher or more successful than him. Feud erupts, etc. I have two or three different ways this thing could go. I think it'd make for a unique angle to have a gay guy be represented in a positive way on the show. Don't know if it would be perceived that way, considering how prevalent homophobia still is in many places, like the States. You'd also have to be careful with how it was done, as you could go over the line with it or get too sensitive about it.

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    They already tried this sorta thing a couple of times and both times they didn't really have the balls to go all the way with it.

    First with Goldust and second with Chuck and Billy, both times they teased the gay thing for a long time only to have the characters come out and say they weren't really bgay, and those were long before the PG era.

    Chuck and Billy was actually during the post attitude era where things were actually a little more vulgar than attitude era itself (Katie Vick, HLA) and they still couldn't go all the way with it.

    If they couldn't do it then, I doubt there's any chance of them trying that now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BadNewsFan View Post
    They already tried this sorta thing a couple of times and both times they didn't really have the balls to go all the way with it.

    First with Goldust and second with Chuck and Billy, both times they teased the gay thing for a long time only to have the characters come out and say they weren't really bgay, and those were long before the PG era.

    Chuck and Billy was actually during the post attitude era where things were actually a little more vulgar than attitude era itself (Katie Vick, HLA) and they still couldn't go all the way with it.

    If they couldn't do it then, I doubt there's any chance of them trying that now.
    I mentioned the Goldust thing. Billy and Chuck was a comedy thing and I didn't mind them revealing they weren't really gay, it was part of the comedy. Finally having an open gay thing could be opening a new door, so to speak.

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    Coachman said on ESPN that there are a few gay wrestlers in the WWE. So they're there.

    As for how it should be portrayed, my all time favourite writing of a gay character was on The Wire. But it wasn't Omar.

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    I wouldn't mind it if the guy playing the part was a regular HBK in terms of workrate and they pushed the story like one of our best wrestlers is gay.

    Or since the OP mentioned the wire, what about Agron on Spartacus, he's a big badass gladiator, what about making a big wrecking machine guy like Ryback, be gay, gay but can kick anyones ass.

    GLADD would probably award them for one of those kinds of characters having a major role in the company.

    But if they were gonna just go the quick shock factor route like Goldust or comedy route like Chuck and Billy, then they should just skip it, because all those gimmicks do is offend people rather than truely open doors.

    Still I can't see WWE doing anything like this in the PG era.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BadNewsFan View Post
    Still I can't see WWE doing anything like this in the PG era.
    After the Swagger/Colter angle, I think all bets are off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Zigmeister View Post
    After the Swagger/Colter angle, I think all bets are off.
    Yea but even that got negative press, and are we sure Linda doesn't still have political aspirations, because her base definitley wouldn't be behind an openly gay character on her programing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BadNewsFan View Post
    Or since the OP mentioned the wire, what about Agron on Spartacus, he's a big badass gladiator, what about making a big wrecking machine guy like Ryback, be gay, gay but can kick anyones ass.

    GLADD would probably award them for one of those kinds of characters having a major role in the company.
    That's kinda what I was hoping for if a person did come out. It might be a good image for the company. Having a notable bad ass like Ryback be gay is a good call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadNewsFan View Post
    Yea but even that got negative press
    The WWE had the perfect opportunity to abort the storyline and didn't. Tells you how much they care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Zigmeister View Post
    The WWE had the perfect opportunity to abort the storyline and didn't. Tells you how much they care.
    True...I guess in the end its all about the portrayal of the gay character.

    A cowardly heel gay character probably wouldn't work as much as a nobel talented babyface character.

    Interestingly in 1995 when Goldust first appeared, being gay was considered much more of a taboo, than it is now, and gay rights is a much bigger issue nowadays.

    I don't think they'd get away with another Goldust type pervert gay character the way he was in 1995 and 96.


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    You know the way to do a gay character? Have a character debut normally, have him rack up some wins, and get in a feud with someone, for the sake of example we'll say Dolph Ziggler. Dolph confronts the new superstar in a backstage interview, accusing them of being a homosexual. The superstar nods and says he is. Dolph doesn't know what else to say after that, and the gay superstar walks off-camera, the segment ends, and they never mention it again.

    You know the problem? WWE is completely incapable of subtlety, so they can't do this. So no, I don't think they should try to do a gay character, because there's no way they could do it in a realistic, modern fashion without fucking it up.

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    I really enjoyed the Rico flamboyantly Gay Gimmick....

    Santino is the closest thing the WWE has to something like this so he can possibly pull this off.

    I do think a Lesbian diva angle that's treated seriously can be more interesting though.

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    Sign AR Fox. Guy did gay porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blindy View Post
    I do think a Lesbian diva angle that's treated seriously can be more interesting though.
    'Course ya would.

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    Knowing WWE they'd had "Gay Wrestler" debut but then have Jack Swagger and Zeb Coulter destroy him and stuff like that because being "Homosexual" isn't "American"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summerfest! View Post
    You know the problem? WWE is completely incapable of subtlety, so they can't do this. So no, I don't think they should try to do a gay character, because there's no way they could do it in a realistic, modern fashion without fucking it up.
    Summerfest hit the nail on the head here.

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    Wasnt Kanyon a gay?
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    Wasnt Kanyon a ******?
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    Turn Ryback gay and reveal that he has been dating Fandango behind the scenes this whole time.

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    Turn Ryback gay and reveal that he has been dating Fandango behind the scenes this whole time.
    So that's what all that "Feed Me More" stuff was about?

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    Building a character solely around the fact that a character is gay would be a terrible idea. Why would that be relevant to any storylines? They would end up mentioning it just to mention it.


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    Building a character solely around the fact that a character is gay would be a terrible idea. Why would that be relevant to any storylines. "I'm gonna kick your ass! Also, I'm gay!" It's not exactly something that could be subtly thrown in.
    Could be a cool story for a young wrestler honestly, if they were up for playing the character well.

    Have a rookie come in, maybe he wins a few impressive matches, they air a backstage segment where Kaitlyn or Rosa or whoever walks by and one wrestler says "Damn, she's hot." The wrestler in question then says "Yeah, but not really my thing."

    It sparks the whole "Is he or isn't he?" thing. Maybe the distraction has him losing a few matches until he finally just has enough cuts a promo saying he's gay. Have some heel wrestlers mock him, some face ones applaud him, it plays a mental role in matches based on how others react. You never really have him dwell on it, but have other wrestlers do so, but once he comes out he starts winning again and winds up grabbing a mid-card championship or getting a WWE/World Championship match and losing strongly. Then people finally start taking him seriously as a wrestler and not as the gay guy.

    It's a lot to ask a young wrestler to try to do...but if one is up for it, it could play well.

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    Could be a cool story for a young wrestler honestly, if they were up for playing the character well.

    Have a rookie come in, maybe he wins a few impressive matches, they air a backstage segment where Kaitlyn or Rosa or whoever walks by and one wrestler says "Damn, she's hot." The wrestler in question then says "Yeah, but not really my thing."

    It sparks the whole "Is he or isn't he?" thing. Maybe the distraction has him losing a few matches until he finally just has enough cuts a promo saying he's gay. Have some heel wrestlers mock him, some face ones applaud him, it plays a mental role in matches based on how others react. You never really have him dwell on it, but have other wrestlers do so, but once he comes out he starts winning again and winds up grabbing a mid-card championship or getting a WWE/World Championship match and losing strongly. Then people finally start taking him seriously as a wrestler and not as the gay guy.

    It's a lot to ask a young wrestler to try to do...but if one is up for it, it could play well.
    What exactly would that do for their career? And how would you make that work without stereotyping?

    You would put him in a position where people don't take him seriously in the first place, and then risk killing his career if people finally don't.

    I could see if a gay wrestler was open to admitting it and making it a part of his character, but to ask a guy to play the role would be too much.

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