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    Default What makes the top guy a top guy?

    I have been thinking about this for a while, what gives that top that something extra special to make him the best?

    Coz it can't be wrestleing ability as Hogan, Rock, Austin, Cena aren't exactly the best wrestlers in the world, and it can't be mic skills alone as Cena isn't the strongest in the world at this I always thought Brett Hart was a bit wooden on the mic and still is. I'm not sure the undertaker has ever been the "top guy" and the same goes for HBK and HHH always right up there but never led the company. Charisma the Rock and Hogan have it in spades but Austin never struck me as the most charismatic, so is it boiled down to the look and the gimmick as Austin and Cena seem to have that nailed on.

    So now as a theory look at CM Punk, charisma? Yes, Mic skills? Yes, wrestleing ability? Yes, gimmick? I would say yeah probably, but will he ever be the "top guy"? No and I don't think he has what it takes and I don't know why?

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    "The look" + mic skills
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    Simple. Has the largest fanbase that pays to see him more then anybody else on the roster

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4ever_Oldschool View Post
    "The look" + mic skills
    I'd say a good bit of wrestling skill is necessary too. Cena is a great wrestler. He puts on great matches. He wouldn't be where he is if he couldn't. The haters exaggerate Cena's deficiencies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Industry View Post
    Simple. Has the largest fanbase that pays to see him more then anybody else on the roster
    So Zack Ryder is the top guy then?

    What makes that guy popular tho, obviously the guy who is the most popular is the top guy but what's makes him the most popular?

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    No. Zack Ryders fan aren't the biggest fanbase in the arena

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    It's combination of a few key things that give you the top spot in the company.

    Mic Skills - If you can't get a reaction from the crowd when you're talking on the mic, there's no way you're going to be used in main event promos.

    Fanbase - In order to be at the elite level, you need to garnish a reaction from the audience every time you're in the arena. Whether you're a heel or babyface, you need to get the audience behind you.

    Merchandise - Once you have a healthy fanbase, your chances at bringing in big buys of merchandise are extremely high. If you're getting all your stuff sold and the audience members are wearing your t-shirts/wristbands/hats, your boss will love you because of the money and you'll be at the top.

    The Look - Every wrestler needs the look. If you know how to smile and look happy for the audience, or know how to look disgusted at the audience's actions, and you can combine this with the things above, you have a high chance of reaching the top level.

    Wrestling - The only wrestling you need to know in the WWE today is how to throw a guy over your head and punch and kick. No need for submission holds (although if you know a couple it would look good)

    Media - You also need to have a good connection with the media. By that, I mean you need to know how to talk to the media and how to promote yourself and the company on television/radio/magazine.

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    The Look is Most important. All of the top guys had it Hogan,Bret,Shawn,Austin,Rock,Goldberg,Cena etc. Theme Music helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by bret hart mark View Post
    The Look is Most important. All of the top guys had it Hogan,Bret,Shawn,Austin,Rock,Goldberg,Cena etc. Theme Music helps
    Bret and Shawn need to be taken off that list

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    Default Re: What makes the top guy a top guy?

    It depends what you refer to as look. You can either be big and muscley like Goldberg, Cena, Hogan etc., or you could have the ladies all over you. Shawn Michaels was wanted by all the women, he had the looks. As for Bret Hart, he was never the handsome bloke.

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    I disagree. Bret Hart had charm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cenamark2.0 View Post
    I'd say a good bit of wrestling skill is necessary too. Cena is a great wrestler. He puts on great matches. He wouldn't be where he is if he couldn't. The haters exaggerate Cena's deficiencies.
    Are you dizzy?

    Cena match: Cena prone on the canvas. Cena builds momentum with the same two moves. Cena is once again on the canvas. Still on the canvas. Oh my god, Cena is going for the Attitude Adjustment, which is really a direct ripoff of Lesnar's F-5. Oh my god, reversed! Cena is on the mat again. Cena builds momentum. Cena hits Five Knuckle Shuffle. The Attitude Adjustment is reversed 13 more times. Cena wins via STF or AA!! Every match. Cena has roughly 9 different maneuvers. Every match is virtually the same. He's not a profound wrestler. He carries little mystique. His promos are the same ass-kissing preambles every week. Yawn.

    Cena needs to completely reinvent himself.

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    Seriously. Cena has the largest moveset of anybody on the WWE roster. But because he uses the typical babyface comeback that EVERY SINGLE TOP GUY IN THE HISTORY OF EVER has used, he's limited. Right.

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    Default Re: What makes the top guy a top guy?

    They have to be down to earth, so the fans can connect with them.

    Sure, at times, a larger than life enigma connects with the fans (Hogan, Savage, Warrior, Undertaker, Rock, Mysterio), but a lot of the top guys were down to earth people, albeit exaggerated, but not enough that they become unrealistic. Shawn Michaels was the heartthrob guys wanted to be and women wanted to be with. Bret Hart was the young guy trying to overcome family troubles to make it. Austin was the beer drinking redneck who beat the shit out of his boss. John Cena was the wigger who stopped being a punk ass kid and grew up and became a man.

    These are the characters that connect with the fans, and force people to part with their money to see them.
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    Default Re: What makes the top guy a top guy?

    The top thing ANY wrestling promotion looks for is MONEY! Whoever puts the most asses in seats, has trancendant capabilities, draws ratings, etc. should rightfull y be the top guys. So the guys like Hogan, Austin, Rock, Warrior, Cena, Andre, Dusty, Bruno, etc. deserve to be the top guys. Even if they aren't the most skilled wrestlers. And we have all seen boxing or UFC where the brawler beats the more technically skilled fighter. Technical skills are only ONE FACET of pro wrestling-sports entertainment. U got brawlers, power guys, and high flyers-great athlete types as well.

    But u also have a guy like Savage who was a great all around in ring guys AND had that transcendant type charisma promoters love. Or u have a guy like Flair who was a great technician and had epic charisma. U have a great in ring big guy like Taker who had transcendant kind of charisma. These three are very unique and are a rare breed. So these kind of guys deserve of course to be on top and feud with the guys like Hogan, Cena, Dusty, etc. Guys like Flair, Savage. and Taker all have a case to be GOAT and best in the world in this sense.

    But then u have great in ring guys like HBK, Bret, Punk, Eddie, Benoit, and Angle who may not be transcendant type guys. But they are over huge with the real wrestling fans. So they deserve the ball too because they give wrestling skill and realism. The most skilled guys in other sports become champions too. So to even the playing field, these guys deserve the ball too. They may not be "THE GUY", but they still deserve world titles. And to real fans, they have the distinction of being the best of the world in their own way. Because they are the best in ring and ALSO get over enough to be a main eventer and challenge the Rocks, Austins, Cenas, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe L. View Post
    Seriously. Cena has the largest moveset of anybody on the WWE roster. But because he uses the typical babyface comeback that EVERY SINGLE TOP GUY IN THE HISTORY OF EVER has used, he's limited. Right.
    Seriously? Punk, Ziggler and Bryan all have more moves than Cena. Probably a few others too.

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    John Cena

    Total Commonly Used WWE moves -16

    Diving leg drop bulldog
    Dropkick, sometimes from the top rope
    Emerald Flowsion
    Five Knuckle Shuffle
    Fisherman suplex
    Gutwrench suplex
    Spin-out powerbomb
    Running leaping shoulder block
    Running one–handed bulldog
    Sitout hip toss
    Spinebuster
    Superplex
    Throwback
    Twisting belly to belly suplex
    Attitude Adjustment
    STFU
    Dolph Ziggler

    Commonly USed WWE moves -13

    Stinger Splash
    Bridging German suplex
    Jumping DDT
    Dropkick,
    Fireman's carry gutbuster
    Fireman's carry takeover
    Flying clothesline
    Inverted body slam
    Jumping elbow drop
    Neck snap
    Name-Dropper
    Sleeper Hold
    Zig Zag
    CM Punk

    Total Commonly Used WWE moves - 17
    GTS
    Anaconda Vice
    Arm trap swinging neckbreaker
    Arm wrench followed by stepping a leg over the wrenched arm and performing a mule kick with the leg below the opponent's face
    Back heel kick
    Belly-to-back suplex
    Bulldog
    Diving crossbody
    Diving elbow drop
    Double underhook backbreaker
    Roundhouse kick
    Sitout suplex slam
    Snap scoop powerslam
    Springboard clothesline
    Step-up enzuigiri
    Step-up high knee to a cornered opponent
    Superplex
    Daniel Bryan

    Total Commonly Used WWE moves - 16

    Corner elbow smash
    Diving headbut
    European uppercut
    Heel hook
    Jumping high knee from the apron to an opponent outside the ring
    Leaping knee drop
    Dropkick, can be to corner or Missile from top rope
    Repeated shoot to a kneeling opponent's chest followed by a roundhouse to the opponent's head
    Roundhouse
    Belly to belly Suplex
    German Suplex
    Northern Lights Suplex
    Superplex
    Yes Lock
    Springboard suicide senton or dive
    Surfboard
    So Punk has ONE over him, and Bryan is dead even with him, and Ziggler is well below.

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    A moves argument? C'mon people we are better than this. We have come to far to have move arguments.



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    Oh, I agree. I am simply proving a point. It's not about the number of moves, which Cena, contrary to popular belief, has enough of, but it's about how you do them and whether or not the crowd REACTS to them, and whether or not you are marketing yourself properly in the ring, which Cena is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Industry View Post
    Bret and Shawn need to be taken off that list
    Both Bret and Shawn had a good athletic physique with decent size. They are not much smaller then Austin. They were also both attractive dudes in there day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cenamark2.0 View Post
    I'd say a good bit of wrestling skill is necessary too. Cena is a great wrestler. He puts on great matches. He wouldn't be where he is if he couldn't. The haters exaggerate Cena's deficiencies.
    Cena moves like a Robot i dont think he is Great Wrestler. He is below average IMO.

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    One word; Charisma


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    Quote Originally Posted by bret hart mark View Post
    Both Bret and Shawn had a good athletic physique with decent size. They are not much smaller then Austin. They were also both attractive dudes in there day.
    And didn't draw a dime

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    Took twelve posts to turn this one into another Cena five moves argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Industry View Post
    And didn't draw a dime
    HBK/Hitman Drew money bro. They didnt Draw Austin money but 93-97 money was made

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