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    Default If Hulk Hogan is WWE's Babe Ruth, is Cena WWE's Barry Bonds?

    If you look up polarizing sports figures, one name that you're bound to see pop up is Barry Bonds, the man who is currently Baseball's all time Home Run king, a record that many call the most prestigious record in all of sports.

    One of the reasons Bonds is so polarizing is because while some contend that he's the greatest Home run king ever legitimately, there are many others who believe his record isn't valid because they think he cheated by using steroids to enhance his hitting power, thus giving him an unfair advantage...one that the two men he passed Hank Arron and Babe Ruth, did not have when they reigned as HR kings.

    Now Babe Ruth was the original home run king, before Bonds and the great Hank Arron took his spot, and is widely regarded as the sport's most important figure, by setting countless records and bringing a new level of popularity and interest to the game.

    Now obviously when comparing Pro Wrestlers to legit sports figures, one cannot simply compare professional records, because Pro Wrestling records aren't real, so one can only compare things like impact on the business, box office drawing power, and overall popularity.

    One man in Pro Wrestling that is often compared to Babe Ruth is Hulk Hogan, a man who's often been called the Babe Ruth of Wrestling.

    The reason for that comparison is that Hogan set many box office records, and brought Pro Wrestling to a whole new level of popularity that had never before been seen in the industry.

    It would be hard to argue that Hogan isn't wrestling's Babe Ruth, but who would today's WWE leader, John Cena be compared to in sports, I'd argue that Barry Bonds would be a fitting comparison.

    If you looked up polarizing Pro Wrestlers, the first name you would see is definitely John Cena, but why?

    I've often wondered why this is, what is it about Cena that some people just can't stand, and why do some love him so much.

    As a performer Cena is IMO, is just in the middle of the pack in just about every category.

    He's not the best, technician, talker, seller, charisma, or overall worker, but he's far from the worst in all of those categories either.

    I think it's the numbers, which is where he is polarizing.

    I think his push in the non competitive era in Pro Wrestling is the equivalent to Barry Bonds's alleged use of steroids in the minds of some fans.

    See, when Hulk Hogan, set his records and was considered the most popular man in the business he did so in a very competitive era where the WWE had several wrestling territories to compete with and then eventually companies like NWA and WCW.

    In fact when every other man that followed Hogan had their shot at being the man of the company they had other major organizations to compete with, everyone except Cena that is.


    When Hogan, Austin, Rock, or even Bret Hart, HBK, and Undertaker were on top is was a clear indication that they were the most worthy to lead the company, because the WWE had to put the most popular guys on top in order to compete with the rival organizations, there is no way the WWE would have ever placed a polarizing figure on top as the face of the company when another company was a viable option for fans.

    You had to be the most popular man on the roster to be considered THE man, back then.

    The WWE creative machine was always searching for the next Hogan to be able to compete with WCW, once Hogan left, but if the push towards certain guys didn't work the way the WWE wanted they would move on to the next possible star.

    Guys like Lex Luger, and Kevin Nash were given huge pushes in order to allow them the chance to reach a level of popularity where they could lead the WWE against it's competition, but when fans didn't respond they way they wanted they were moved aside, so the WWE could find people more popular.

    This is the advantage Cena has had for 7 years since he's been on top, because even though the fans have never fully supported his main event Hogan type push, he's never had to be pushed aside, because the WWE is in such a position now that they can see a guy who looks they way they want and performs they way want their top star to, and keep him there.

    Cena has never really been the most popular man in the WWE, which before him, was the only way to come close to the type of push he's had for even a little while let alone 7 straight years.

    The WWE knows there is know alternative Pro Wrestling organization that viewers can go to, with the same level of production quality that they've become accustomed to.

    TNA will likely never be able to compete with WWE the way WCW did in the past, so instead of a Coke/Pepsi battle it's more like a Coke/Wall Mart Generic Soda battle.

    While it's certainly not Cean's fault that he leads the WWE in a non competitive era, he definitely has an unfair advantage to be on top the way guys like Hogan never had, because no matter how many fans like him or not, the WWE can just continue to push him as the face of the company as long as they want, and the dedicated fans will continue to watch.

    Cena's box office numbers could certainly be a sign of his sustained popularity, but it also could be just a sign that WWE's faithful fans will always tune in as long as they keep a certain level of quality programing.

    Every single fan who buys a ticket to a WWE show, where Cena is in the main event, could be buying it because of Cena or in spite of him.

    Cena's merchandise may sell the most, but how much Cena merchandise is produced in comparison to all of the others, because if there's more Cena stuff out there wouldn't that make a difference in those numbers?

    When a guy like CM Punk, is more popular with the live crowd and Cena is hated and jeered by the majority of them, doesn't that make it possible that many of them aren't' actually fans who came to see Cena?

    This cannot truly be proven one way or another, much like Barry Bonds has never been fully proven to have used steroids, though there has been much evidence to believe it so.

    In the end I believe this is why he is so polarizing.

    Some fans find his push and run fun and good for the industry while some view it as illegitimate and completely manufactured by the WWE.

    In conclusion, this is why I'd consider John Cena WWE's version of Barry Bonds...because like Bonds, you can't argue with his success, but you can argue the legitimacy of his legacy.

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    You can't make that kind of a comparison with a legitimate sport, it just doesn't work.

    The whole idea of wrestling is to convince the crowd to believe that something or someone is a big deal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ View Post
    You can't make that kind of a comparison with a legitimate sport, it just doesn't work.

    The whole idea of wrestling is to convince the crowd to believe that something or someone is a big deal.
    That's the point though Champ, because with Hogan, you didn't have to convince anyone that he was a big deal because he just was.

    Cena is always booed, even in his home town, so why continue to push him as the Hero?

    It's definitely not the PEOPLE want him as that, at least not the majority of them.

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    Steroids wise, Hulk Hogan would be Barry Bonds. lol Of course, this is scripted so steriods are more for looks, not legit skills. So really hard to compare. In terms of popularity, Hogan would be Ruth, despised by some but an icon and undisputed legend.

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    Oh come on, let's not act like there wasn't a full hype machine behind Hogan back in the day. There is one behind every big face, regardless of how "legitimately over" he is. He had to be given opportunities to get that over.

    And Cena does not get booed by the majority for the millionth time. It's a vocal minority. And even if it was the majority, those people would just cheer him if he turned heel. He's going to get mixed reactions for the rest of his career, there's nothing they can do about it.

    He's still making tons of money, so I'd say that's pretty legitimate.


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    Default Re: If Hulk Hogan is WWE's Babe Ruth, is Cena WWE's Barry Bonds?

    Cena bait threads...gotta love 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ View Post
    Oh come on, let's not act like there wasn't a full hype machine behind Hogan back in the day. There is one behind every big face, regardless of how "legitimately over" he is. He had to be given opportunities to get that over.

    And Cena does not get booed by the majority for the millionth time. It's a vocal minority. And even if it was the majority, those people would just cheer him if he turned heel. He's going to get mixed reactions for the rest of his career, there's nothing they can do about it.

    He's still making tons of money, so I'd say that's pretty legitimate.
    The reason Hogan was considered the Babe Ruth is because of how legitimately popular and how big his box office numbers were.

    Cena's popularity and box office numbers are very questionable, and shouldn't be considering his push.

    I never said it's his fault the way he's cheered, but it should matter in how he's booked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadNewsFan View Post
    I never said it's his fault the way he's cheered, but it should matter in how he's booked.
    How should they book him so he gets a universal reaction from the crowd? I'm not being sarcastic or anything, my ears are open.


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    Big Stan, did I make a simple blanket statement to try get people to reply, no.

    This is a fully thought out comparison that I felt the need to make based on several conversations about Cena.

    So try adding something to the discussion, rather then just writing it off as another bait thread, because that makes it seem like you didn't even read the OP.

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    Default Re: If Hulk Hogan is WWE's Babe Ruth, is Cena WWE's Barry Bonds?

    And Champ, booking him for a universal reaction, do it the same way they've done for years, do it according to the fans reactions.

    Try something until it sticks, and maybe you'll have something even bigger than he is now.

    Something can get him booed, and something can get him cheered, it's out there but when their too pussy to try it, it'll never be found.

    Keeping him the same isn't the answer, it's the easy answer, but not the progressive one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ View Post
    You can't make that kind of a comparison with a legitimate sport, it just doesn't work.

    The whole idea of wrestling is to convince the crowd to believe that something or someone is a big deal.
    Comparing the WWE to MLB drags the WWE down, but if we must I'll say Cena is WWE's Cal Ripken Jr. He is truly their unstoppable workhorse.

    The 87% support Cena!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadNewsFan View Post
    Big Stan, did I make a simple blanket statement to try get people to reply, no.

    This is a fully thought out comparison that I felt the need to make based on several conversations about Cena.

    So try adding something to the discussion, rather then just writing it off as another bait thread, because that makes it seem like you didn't even read the OP.
    Like I said...bait thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cenamark2.0 View Post
    Comparing the WWE to MLB drags the WWE down, but if we must I'll say Cena is WWE's Cal Ripken Jr. He is truly their unstoppable workhorse.
    Fair comparison, though I might give Bret Hart the Cal Ripken tag based on his 12 year work load more so than Cena's 10 year run.

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    Default Re: If Hulk Hogan is WWE's Babe Ruth, is Cena WWE's Barry Bonds?

    The fans reactions are split though, every arena is a mixture of cheers and boos. I don't really think that there's a sweet spot to be found. If you appease one side, you outrage the other.

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    Clearly Cena is many levels behind Hogan (prime for prime). I guess its a good analogy. But there are still Stone Cold and Rock who are clearly above Cena.. Then you got guys like Andre, Bruno etc. Bigger draws then Cena as well.

    Cena is in the Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, HHH, Piper, Savage, etc. Category.. Maybe 3rd or 4th tier.

    1st tier- Hogan, Andre, Bruno, Stone Cold, Rock
    2nd tier, Savage, Piper, Warrior etc..
    3rd tier, Shawn, Bret, HHH, Cena, Foley etc.


    Really, Hogan is on a tier of his own.. But for the purpose of this.. I will rank them that way.

    "Box office" wise, Cena doesn't even compare with Rock or Austin much less Hogan
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    Cena has drawn more money then everybody in that second tier. And everybody but 3 people in the first tier.


    Hogan being a bigger star then Cena isn't insult. Rock being a bigger star then Cena isn't an insult. Austin being a bigger star than Cena isn't an insult.

    Them 3 being the only truly big stars then Cena in WWF/E history, is a very big compliment to Cena. Those are the 3 biggest stars ever

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    Big Stan, anymore posts like that and you're getting a warning. There is a long thought out post to engage with here. If you disagree with it, then debate. Having different opinions is not baiting - the only one baiting is you. Any issue - PM me.



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    Default Re: If Hulk Hogan is WWE's Babe Ruth, is Cena WWE's Barry Bonds?

    Cena is way better in the ring than Hogan ever was, but none of these guys can lace up Ric Flairs boots.

    Ric Flair is the Babe Ruth of wrestling by far

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Clearly Cena is many levels behind Hogan (prime for prime). I guess its a good analogy. But there are still Stone Cold and Rock who are clearly above Cena.. Then you got guys like Andre, Bruno etc. Bigger draws then Cena as well.

    Cena is in the Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, HHH, Piper, Savage, etc. Category.. Maybe 3rd or 4th tier.

    1st tier- Hogan, Andre, Bruno, Stone Cold, Rock
    2nd tier, Savage, Piper, Warrior etc..
    3rd tier, Shawn, Bret, HHH, Cena, Foley etc.


    Really, Hogan is on a tier of his own.. But for the purpose of this.. I will rank them that way.

    "Box office" wise, Cena doesn't even compare with Rock or Austin much less Hogan
    Cena belongs on the 2nd tier with Warrior and Savage, and maybe even the top tier. I do agree, Hogan (as much as I hate him) should probably have his own tier in terms of ranking.

    As for the OP, I actually think Bruno might be a close second for a Babe Ruth.

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    Cena's so much the face of the package he's like the W in the WWE logo, he's just there no matter what even in arena's where he's booed worst than the Iron Shiek in 83.

    So it's really hard for me to give him all the credit for his drawing numbers, because it's too hard to tell if he's the draw or just the WWE aka the only game in town.

    He's got such in advantage in being the man in the era, that I'd almost say that the numbers of second tier guys like HBK, Hart and Savage are almost more impressive because they came against competition from WCW.

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    He is battling ghost. His only competition is some bullshit Wrestling War nearly 20 years ago

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    Who was more talked about at their peak, A-Rod or Barry Bonds? Because remember people saying things like A-Rod is going to do for baseball what Jordan did for basketball. With Barry Bonds it was just like oh broke another record.
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    Tier 1 should be reserved for guys who constantly did sell out business week (ala Bruno) after week and/or helped usher in a boom period.

    Obviously Cena hasn't done these things. Is business even as good now as it was when say HHH was on top? TV ratings wise its pretty close I think.


    Cena has been on top since 2005/2006 and he hasn't usher in any type of boom period and outside of the diehard fans, wrestling is just yesterdays news. Cena hasn't brought in those casual fans or outside crowd in like others did

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    Default Re: If Hulk Hogan is WWE's Babe Ruth, is Cena WWE's Barry Bonds?

    The Bonds analogy to Cena isn't bad only focusing on polarizing reactions to them. However, it falls apart when you consider Bonds is known as an asshole to the media (at least from what I've heard) and Cena is FAR from that.

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    Business is way better now then it was Triple H was on top. And he has ushered in a new audience full of kids and leads in women. Being behind the top 3 draws in the history of wrestlingis in now way a failure anyway you put it. He outdrew whatever guys like HBK, Hart, Savage, and Warrior did. He has 3 record breaking Manias that he was apart of and his merch is only behind Austin.

    And in 2007 business was selling out week after week, with Cena on top and many thought it was a boom. Then June happened of that year.

    Saying, because Cena didn't usher in a boom period, when only 2 guys in history did makes him a failure is pretty fucking laughable.

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