Heyman+Punk= confusion?

[Westy316]

Ok so if we are led to believe that punk has aligned himself with heyman what does this do for punk?

Positives

it enhances his heel persona as Heyman is one of the best if not the best heel orator around.

It potentially alignes him with Brock lesnar

Negatives

Punk right up there as one of the best on the mic so could potentially cost him mic time which would be a shame

And I think takes away from his angle as it is meant to be all about him and earning respect, so surely it's going to be a bit of a contradiction sharing the limelight at the very minimum with Heyman.

Now for my own personal theory

If this is the part of a little stable of three or four guys, Brock and punk at the top with a couple of up and comers(could be a way of pushing ryback but that's a different discussion for a different day) supporting then I can completely get on board otherwise it just seems a tacky way of keeping Heyman on tv.

Thoughts?

[bayke]

It makes sense in kayfabe. LIke Punk said in his pipebomb last year, Heyman brought him in. He was a Heyman acquisition and Paul E. was the only member of WWE creative who liked and believed in him. He got over but was pushed to the back of the line when Heyman left. The WWE brass resented him being over because he didn't look or act like their idea of a WWE Superstar. They couldn't fire him because he was over, but they could try to kill his heat. Which brings us to the present. Punk has finally had enough of the disrespect he gets from the brass. He's tired of putting on the best match of the night only to be overshadowed by Cena vs the monster of the month. And he should be. It's not just Punk the brass is disrespecting, it's the title and its lineage. The WWE title is the most prestigious in the business. To place Cena above the belt is an affront not only to Punk, but to everyone who ever held it. So Punk aligns himself with a returning Heyman, the only man in the WWE to show faith in him and to respect him for being the wrestler he is.

[BestInThe205]

I'm stoked to see what they do with it. \m/

[oWn]

I dont understand why all managers must be mouth pieces. Managers also enhance talent by association. Savage was great on the mic, They gave him Sherry and it just made him better by association. Same with Ted Dibiase, Same with HBK. In HBK's case hes had several managers. Scott Hall & Kevin Nash (Outsiders) had Dusty Rhodes as a manager. Both of them are great on the mic, But it enhanced them by association. For Christ sake The Rock...THE ROCK was in a stable where Vince was the manager/leader. Arguably the best mic guy in WWE history. Foley had a manager and the list goes on and on.

I see Punk and Heyman as the same. IMO Punk just went up a level by associating with Heyman. We know from experience that Heyman will do whatever he has to in order to get his way, And now that hes in Punks corner we can assume Punk will learn to do the same making him more dangerous.

For whatever reason it is now tagged that managers are mouth pieces and while that is a handy tool of a manager, Its not their entire purpose. Heyman is a great talker, But hes also a great personality to associate with. I think he can bring Punk to that next level

We all know Punk can talk, It can only help to have someone who talks just as well speak with and about him no?

[Kane]

I think it's leading to a big SS match with Brock & Punk taking on Cena & HHH

[The Industry]

It's a Dangerous Alliance remake. Not sure who is Rude though, I'm guessing Punk seeing as Cena is the best Surfer Sting ever

[BadNewsFan]

The real reason behind this team up was probably just to help Cena get over more by having his opponent team up with the ultimate bad guy manager.

They've been trying so hard to get Cena cheered over Punk, that's it's annoying.

First they turn Punk into to coward who beats up old men, by having him assault Lawler.

Then they have to basically keep him off the show in Chicago so that people won't see him get worshiped by his hometown, they even try to have him walk out on his home town to get him cheap heat there.

They then team him with Heyman, and I'm sure there's a long term plan but bet your bottom dollar that a big reason is to help Cena so he doesn't get booed by his hometown again, at NOC.

In any even Punk and Heyman should play off each other well, without hurting Punk's mic time at all, and a team up with Lesnar would be great.

I really hope that Heyman's arrival can help Punk hold onto the belt at least until his match with Rock.

Punk, Rock with Heyman in the mix would be amazing.

[The Industry]

Cena hate is alive and well

[BadNewsFan]

Nobody said anything bad about Cena.

Now the way WWE is trying to manipulate fans, that's another thing.

[The Industry]

Punk is a heel and is doing a good job at doing heel things.

Anybody trying to make it in ti a conspiracy theory is giving it and wrestling writers too much credit. It is simply a pro wrestling storyline

[Coco]

I'm with Industry on this one. Punk is a heel now and he wants to work with Heyman. Simple as. The reactions each man gets come match time are utterly inconsequential. Not even management cares any more.

Anyhow, Heyman as Punk's agent getting him main event spotlight is gonna rule.

[RT]

I think it's leading to a big SS match with Brock & Punk taking on Cena & HHH

This was my first thought as well. Makes it so HHH can't retire because Cena needs his help.

Meh. I'd rather see The Rock get involved, but whatever. Either one would be fun as hell.

I'm just stoked that this ties last year's rant into the current story. Echoing what bayke said, this is awesome shit.

[Kemis.]

I'm with Industry on this one. Punk is a heel now and he wants to work with Heyman. Simple as. The reactions each man gets come match time are utterly inconsequential. Not even management cares any more.

Anyhow, Heyman as Punk's agent getting him main event spotlight is gonna rule.

That's the aspect I'd love about this thing.

Many aspects are right. Punk is a "Heyman Guy", he's been touting about big things on Twitter in various interludes this year, so this has obviously been in the works in some fashion for a while, he mentioned Heyman when he gave the Pipebomb promo that totally revolutionized his WWE career and Heyman, when he first came in, took Lesnar to the top of the WWE. If he can do that with an unknown, Punk would be crazy not to use his skills now he has the WWE Title.

[The Industry]

I'j guessing Heyman is also there to help Punk's promo work

[BadNewsFan]

I'm with Industry on this one. Punk is a heel now and he wants to work with Heyman. Simple as. The reactions each man gets come match time are utterly inconsequential. Not even management cares any more.

Anyhow, Heyman as Punk's agent getting him main event spotlight is gonna rule.

If that was the case then why the drastic character change for Punk to full blown mustache twisting heel then?

If anything a Heyman team up would go perfectly with the pipe bomb face character that Punk was for the last year.

The only reason to change Punk into a commentator beating, respect begging, arena leaving heel is to get him booed against Cena.

Don't fool yourselves into thinking that this isn't just more BS fan manipulation by the WWE creative that they've been doing all year with stuff.

It's the same shit as the stuff with Ryder and the stuff with the yes chants.

[Coco]

I'j guessing Heyman is also there to help Punk's promo work

Good luck convincing the egotistical bastard that he needs help.

If that was the case then why the drastic character change for Punk to full blown mustache twisting heel then?

Because face Punk was boring and Punk wanted to tell a different story. Duh.

[BadNewsFan]

Good luck convincing the egotistical bastard that he needs help.


Because face Punk was boring and Punk wanted to tell a different story. Duh.

He was so boring he was getting the loudest pops of the night all year for anyone not named Rocky.

Yeah just because you're not a fan doesn't mean he didn't have alot of them, because he did, and he wasn't boring to them either.

[Coco]

He was so boring he was getting the loudest pops of the night all year for anyone not named Rocky.

Yeah just because you're not a fan doesn't mean he didn't have alot of them, because he did, and he wasn't boring to them either.

Being popular doesn't mean you're not boring. Cena's allegedly bored with his character. So is Orton. Punk wanting a change so he can have fun is very much the CM Punk I know.

And Punk is my favourite wrestler. Don't talk about my preferences unless you know your shit.

[oWn]

Yea I dont think Punks problem was being boring. I think to the hardcore marks like us he wasnt all he could be, Or wasnt as good as he was last Summer. But he was far from boring.

If you were bored by him thats a different story, The character itself though wasn't boring because too many people still like it.

[Coco]

Yea I dont think Punks problem was being boring. I think to the hardcore marks like us he wasnt all he could be, Or wasnt as good as he was last Summer. But he was far from boring.

Nobody is a more hardcore mark than Punk.

[The Industry]

Pops doesn't - buys

And CoCo, what I mean is Heyman is able to work the shooty shit in without yelling "This is all fake and I'm acting" better then anybody. Punk still struggles at this, he comes off like he is reading a message board post

[Coco]

And CoCo, what I mean is Heyman ius able to work the shooty shit in without yelling "This is all fake and I'm acting" better then anybody. Punk still struggles at this, he comes off like he is reading a message board post

I know exactly what you mean and I agree. But do you really think Mr. "I'm Not Going To Promo Class, Neener Neener Neener" is going to see himself as lacking something on the mic?

[oWn]

Nobody is a more hardcore mark than Punk.

I hope with Heyman they will get Punk to the level he can be at. We all know he has it in him to be the best but so far hes just settling for mediocrity.

[BadNewsFan]

Being popular doesn't mean you're not boring. Cena's allegedly bored with his character. So is Orton. Punk wanting a change so he can have fun is very much the CM Punk I know.

And Punk is my favourite wrestler. Don't talk about my preferences unless you know your shit.

If anything was boring about Punk it was all about how he was booked, and again they didn't have to change his character to put him in a more interesting stroyline.

The WWE refuses to just listen to the fans and book around what they like anymore.

If he's that over with the crowd than book him in really important stuff, and since he's champion make it the most important.

They didn't do that though, so you can't blame Punk for being boring to you, when he's not writing his story lines.

Heyman and Punk would have worked just fine without him being a coward heel, actually it would have been more interesting the other way around.

[The Industry]

I think they just feel Heyman can get Punk's message across better than Punk