We should all pretty much admit it....Punk is nis a one punch shorty.

[The Industry]

I am asking questions now.


Is Punk Trendsetting? I Say No,

Has Punk done Antung for the businesses? No. Ok that might be the same as question 1.

Is Punk the best wrestler in the world? Hell No,

Does everybody claim to love Punk? Yes.


Does any kind of numbers back EVERYBODY LOVING Punk? No.

Punk being Anti Attitude while trying to unleash his own form of "Attitude" does that go to being ignored. In my humble opinion yes it does.

Is Punk any more talented, special, or receptive then say, Rey Mysterio?

What is Punk?

Was Punk not made by Cena? No. Jeff Hardy made Punk Editors Note: Never thought that thought he was WAY better in his feud with Jeff Hardy. A feud few people recognize as the feud that made Punk and way better then the critically acclaimed HBK/Jericho feud of that same year. And make no respect Y2J carried HBK much like Cena did in 2007, but there should be no dispute that the ladder match blow off was one of the worst ever and it was far from Jericho's fault.


Back to the subject: Who is Punk? Look at DB, the most over man in wrestling and didn't need to be shooty or smarky, he just got over one thing and ended up better then everybody [He was already clearly above everybody not name Cena as a wrestler in fact way better then Cena 2002-2007 and way better then Benoit ever was, his only competition was Eddie and Rey, until Cena lost his mind as a quality worker and The Taker just being the Taker]-But Punk, what the fuck is Punk. He use to be the best heel in the business, he is not even close now. He is still a great worker, but why should I write Punk in as being "cutting edge". Spare me with that typical wrestling fan Punk rhetoric, like Punk was more enlightened then everybody that we ignored him being just as big [less drawing]-prick as HHH. Punk has exposed himself as a one trick pony, that we ALL [Including me loved]-that a hack by WWE standards could be handled easily, he is no better then somebody like say a Sean Walkman out being a junkie. He surely can't outwork Waltman in the ring for my money.


Punk is a Pillman/Austin/ HBK/Benoit/Eddie/Jericho/Mysterio wannabe. The only difference was they all were better then Punk before they became junkies. Daniels's always been better along with them. Punk is a guy who goes against "being cool" too make himself look cool, we all bought it, but then now all we see is all an act. DB doesn't need the props, Punk is nothing but a prop, he is
"STRAIGHT EDGE". Lawler is also and never drew attention to it and is one of the best workers ever, if not THE best. Same goes for Danielson and HHHero.

Tell Punk step his game up

[The Champ]

WWE still has yet to convince me that turning Punk heel was not a mistake, and it's been almost a month.

It's come off as just another generic heel turn, which is sad. And they couldn't have made it more obvious that it was done solely to set up a big match for Rock.

[Ice]

His heel turn was a mistake. But I disagree with just about every single word in that post.

[ShinobiMusashi]

I've only started watching wrestling again early this year. Before that I hadn't kept up with the artform since 2001.

In the past 8 months that I've been watching WWE I haven't seen anything real special about CM Punk at all. His character was a good role model for the kids up until the chicken shit heel turn, but other than that I haven't seen anything to warrant as much love as he gets around here.

Coming from someone that hasn't seen his legendary run in the indys or his ECW stuff, I just don't see what is so great about the guy at all. I'm not saying he sucks, but he hasn't done anything for me lately. His match against Jericho at WM was the best match on the show, but that match doesn't stand up well against some of the older classics.

[UltimateSavior]

As far as his fanbase goes, IMO Punk gets a lot of love because he's a master of manipulating smarks. Cult of Personality works well for him as a comment on his relationship with them (although it hasn't fit his on-screen persona since last year).

To me, Punk works really, really well when he has a gimmick to fit comfortably into and adapt it when necessary. His heel years from Hardy to last year was some excellent material, just going off his character stuff alone. Punk being Punk isn't nearly as appealing to me because he's being more or less himself, and I find him unintriguing without the gimmicks protecting him.

[Coco]

I agree with Industry. He's a good wrestler who does righteous anger better than just about anyone. But that's not cutting edge. That doesn't make him the Best in the World. And he certain is wrapped up in his own hype in a way guys I consider better workers aren't. On the other hand, he's fun and I like watching him. That's all I really need.

The IWC tends to embellish to reputation of anyone who's even marginally good. Fine. Let them. I won't let them laying it on a little thick keep me from enjoying Punk for what he is.

[Darkmania]

Punk step his game up? How?

He was part of the some of the best matches in the WWE over the past year. His promo is one of the greatest prowrestling moments - heck it even got a veteran fan like myself super excited, I felt like I saw something new and fresh that night. Would I like him to have more mic time and more leeway with what he says? Sure, however there is an arguement that if he does it too often it will lose something.

Sure, it seems the heel turn appears to be hit and miss right now, but even Cena goes through periods where he is boring and generic.

So what could Punk do in your eyes to step it up?

[Coco]

I think the feeling here (and correct me if I'm wrong, Industry) is that Punk should be more concerned with telling a story within kayfabe than with being a self-indulgent prick. It's why Bryan is so much better than Punk. Punk exists on the fringes of kayfabe at times while Bryan is kayfabe to his core on screen. In that spirit, I think Punk's had some decent character work over the last year. The stuff about his alcoholic family, the AJ storyline, and this new bitter streak is all far preferable to Shooty McBestInTheWorld as it's more pro-wrestling, and less "Hey, look how real I am!" But it's hard for some to enjoy those bright spots when they exist in the shadow of someone who's perceived as excessively self-indulgent and shooty.

Am I getting your point, Industry?

[Jack Nichols]

My opinion on Punk is that we've seen the best from him. He's not going to get any better in the ring, and he wont have a better wrestling moment than the promo.

[System]

He's a good heel, but he's as a generic paint-by-numbers face as you can get. I followed his career considerably early (i read an interview with him in a UK wrestling mag and followed since) and loved him in Ring Of Honor. Apart from his Straight Edge Society run, I just have not enjoyed much of him in WWE at all, in terms of feuds/storylines..matches have been good (though I still hold Punk/Bryan being incredibly overrated). I can't believe there is people that think his Pipebomb promo was a shoot though, guess it goes to show kayfabe is still alive after all.

[Jack Nichols]

I'm hoping he gets to do something cool with Rock, Brock, maybe Taker, maybe Austin in the next year. He should be promoted heavily for being on the cover of WWE'13.

[Punisher101]

I think CM Punk is the best talker in WWE now. I personally think his promos are way better then Cena, CM Punk is way way way funnier then Cena and some of his really lame unfunny bad jokes.

[lordInfamous]

I agree with the OP. I think he needs 6 months off TV as he is getting very stale.

[1-2-3 Kid]

Rise above hate, Industry.

[Falcone]

The irony of an obviously drunk Industry ranting about Mr Straight Edge is not lost on me.

[Coco]

I think CM Punk is the best talker in WWE now. I personally think his promos are way better then Cena, CM Punk is way way way funnier then Cena and some of his really lame unfunny bad jokes.

Yeah. The "clown shoes" and "snicklefritz" remarks are hilarious. Punk pretending to be a thirteen year old child sitting at the back of the classroom and cracking jokes about authority figures is as hip as it gets.

[1-2-3 Kid]

The irony of an obviously drunk Industry ranting about Mr Straight Edge is not lost on me.

I didn't want to jump the gun but he did seem drunk with this post.

[Blindy]

I agree that the Punk character just isn't fresh anymore and I end up just seeing him as another guy rather than something special....

But that's not to say that its all on him. I really feel that the whole product that the WWE has right now(Well 85%) is terrible and insulting to the viewers so I do think Punk is held back in a sense of what he would really like to do. In fact, most people in the company are held back from turning the page on what they are doing character wise, which is the problem. This heel run for Punk comes off as him being whiny and a brat rather than him becoming truly evil or someone that's a badass heel and that's where I think they ended up going wrong with.

I agree that Punk really took off when against Hardy but that goes both ways....Hardy wasn't in that many interesting feuds at that time outside of the Punk one so I think it was a feud that both men benefited from mightily. I thought the SES Punk was also great..........just the WWE refused to put that on RAW and save it for a show no one watches....for whatever reason.

[Djm]

The fact that John Cena isn't perpetually on top of WWE with the title forever and ever has driven Industry to drukening.

Let this be a warning to you, Champ.

[The Industry]

I think the feeling here (and correct me if I'm wrong, Industry) is that Punk should be more concerned with telling a story within kayfabe than with being a self-indulgent prick. It's why Bryan is so much better than Punk. Punk exists on the fringes of kayfabe at times while Bryan is kayfabe to his core on screen. In that spirit, I think Punk's had some decent character work over the last year. The stuff about his alcoholic family, the AJ storyline, and this new bitter streak is all far preferable to Shooty McBestInTheWorld as it's more pro-wrestling, and less "Hey, look how real I am!" But it's hard for some to enjoy those bright spots when they exist in the shadow of someone who's perceived as excessively self-indulgent and shooty.

Am I getting your point, Industry?

BINGO!

[The Industry]

The fact that John Cena isn't perpetually on top of WWE with the title forever and ever has driven Industry to drukening.

Let this be a warning to you, Champ.

I was drunker and happier in 2007 until like October of that year. Punk being a hack has nothing to do with me being a drunk...Well?