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    I think most of us Americans know about the case, if you don't you really should climb out from under your rock.

    Anyways what is everybody's thoughts on this?

    Now I obviously don't know Zimmerman personally but from everything I've heard, I don't think this was a case of him just looking to cap some black kid because he was racist, he might be guilty of racial profiling but that doesn't mean he hated black people and was out to kill one as soon as he got an opening to shoot. His friends, neighbors, and family have indicated he's never done or said anything racist. Where Zimmerman fucked up though was when the 911 dispatcher told him not to chase after Martin, had he not kept going after Martin then this whole thing never happens. He sounds like a wannabe cop who over reacted. Zimmerman however does have a witness who can at least partially back up his self defense claim but who started the fight and obviously if a gun was necessary is very much up in the air and with florida's "stand your ground" law,Zimmerman could be justified legally. Obviously shooting somebody to kill them should be a last resort and maybe Zimmerman honestly felt he had no choice while he was getting beat down, however a video of Zimmerman just hours after the incident shows him with no bruises, blood, or cuts of any kind. Granted he could of been cleaned up somewhat but still, if I'm getting beatdown where I have to shoot somebody, you would think there would be some pretty severe bruises or signs of a struggle. So yeah...I got no clue. Both sides of the coin sound convincing.

    What is bugging the shit out of me though is people threatning Zimmermans life. I mean nobody knows the whole story and a lot of people are just jumping to the "He's a racist" wagon where there is no proof of that. And Spike Lee should be ashamed of himself for retweeting what he thought was Zimmermans home address, which it wasn't. Some innocent old couple could of been killed because of what he pulled. Fucking idiot. Hey spike, if your really sorry why don't you pay the old couple's hotel expenses since they're scared to death some fuck wad is going to burn their home down.

    I also think it's pretty shitty that some people are, well not exactly saying Martin had it coming(although I read a few comments below articles and a lot of them had that tone) was some kind of bad apple because he got suspended from school for having a bag with weed residue in it, as if getting suspended from school means your a violent thug looking for trouble.

    Both sides need to take a step back and just wait to see what new facts come out.

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    Pure overreaction BUT at the age of 17, you have to know that wearing a hoodie when walking in public will cause people to be afraid. I mean at that age you should know not to have the hood on, as it can give the vibe of being a criminal. Its like having dark shaded tint windows in a car, it gives a vibe to the police that your being secretive about something.

    The most annoying people are the people who overreact to this like Spike Lee for instance who is going on a hate spree and screaming this is racist. Al Sharpton will do the same if he has not already. These people have nothing better to do than scream racist after anything happens to A black person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blindy View Post
    Pure overreaction BUT at the age of 17, you have to know that wearing a hoodie when walking in public will cause people to be afraid. I mean at that age you should know not to have the hood on, as it can give the vibe of being a criminal. Its like having dark shaded tint windows in a car, it gives a vibe to the police that your being secretive about something.

    The most annoying people are the people who overreact to this like Spike Lee for instance who is going on a hate spree and screaming this is racist. Al Sharpton will do the same if he has not already. These people have nothing better to do than scream racist after anything happens to A black person.
    Geraldo Rivera? Seriously though, I don't buy that at all. I wear a hoodie all the time. It doesn't mean I am up to no good. Should women not wear skirts because it may give men sexual urges? I don't see why anyone should automatically fear someone in a hoodie.

    This case is fascinating to me because of the social media aspect. It is a difficult line to toe. One one hand, I feel the outside investigation was necessary and as such, social media drumming up awareness about the case to ensure that outside investigation seemed right. However, that said, there is still the whole issue of "trial by media" that negates the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" because now, most people think Zimmerman is guilty and ought to be in prison. Moreover, the media showing images of Zimmerman from his county mug shot alongside Trayvon when he was twelve (or so) seems dishonest to me and manifests misconceptions about that night. Nothing is as simple as the media portrays it. It is not a simple case of black and white, shooter and victim. They are not merely cardboard cutouts.

    Anyhow, a recent video from ABC News came out showing surveillance of Zimmerman when he was arrested that night with apparently no visible blood or bruises, which seems to contradict his side of the story. To me, the video isn't 100% proof of a contradiction, but interesting though.

    The only thing that seems clear to me is that Zimmerman at the least was overzealous. Shall see how the investigation plays out. Agreed vendrell, let the facts shed light on the story. People jumping to assumptions and conclusions irks me as well. Certainly, Zimmerman does not deserve death threats or the $10,000 bounty on his head from the New Black Panther Party.

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    Call me nuts but when I walk by people wearing a hoodie, I don't automatically jump to "Danger! Danger!"...I usually don't even notice or if the hoodie warrants it "Wow, that is cool hoodie". I mean shit i'm sure almost every teen and twenty something owns a hoodie and has probably at some point or another, worn the hood up. Geraldo is fucking retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blindy View Post
    Pure overreaction BUT at the age of 17, you have to know that wearing a hoodie when walking in public will cause people to be afraid. I mean at that age you should know not to have the hood on, as it can give the vibe of being a criminal. Its like having dark shaded tint windows in a car, it gives a vibe to the police that your being secretive about something.

    The most annoying people are the people who overreact to this like Spike Lee for instance who is going on a hate spree and screaming this is racist. Al Sharpton will do the same if he has not already. These people have nothing better to do than scream racist after anything happens to A black person.
    this is retarded it was raining and he was wearing a hoodie oh god the horror he should have known better to wear a hood in the rain rolls eyes

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    Wearing a hoodie screams criminal?

    Honestly, it's a shame that the kid died, but this story has been so annoying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blindy View Post
    Pure overreaction BUT at the age of 17, you have to know that wearing a hoodie when walking in public will cause people to be afraid. I mean at that age you should know not to have the hood on, as it can give the vibe of being a criminal. Its like having dark shaded tint windows in a car, it gives a vibe to the police that your being secretive about something.

    The most annoying people are the people who overreact to this like Spike Lee for instance who is going on a hate spree and screaming this is racist. Al Sharpton will do the same if he has not already. These people have nothing better to do than scream racist after anything happens to A black person.
    Bullshit. Absolute Pure fucking bullshit.

    First of all, I don't want to be that guy who says this, but it needs to be said. Are you referring to "17 year old black kids" or just "17 year old kids" in general?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird Kid View Post
    Wearing a hoodie screams criminal?

    Honestly, it's a shame that the kid died, but this story has been so annoying.
    It needs the attention it's been getting, man. I understand where you're coming from, but the coverage needs to be there. This kind of shit shouldn't be happening at all and it needs to be beaten into the public's brains.

    Saying that wearing a hoodie screams 'criminal' is unfair, but Blindy has a point. It's a vague point, but it's a point. I've walked into stores with a hoodie on and been told to take it off. I've been pulled over by police for doing nothing other than driving with my hood on. I've had people cross the street because I was walking alone with my hood up and a big jacket.

    And I'm fucking WHITE. Like, as white as they come. I can't even get a sun tan.

    That being said, there is no reason why Martin couldn't have been wearing his hood. No reason. Just because some people find it intimidating, there's no reason why he can't wear it. None. As BigRed already said, it's like saying girls shouldn't wear skirts because they're more likely to get raped. It's just absurd logic.

    As for the case itself, I don't think it was blatant racism, just an insane overreaction. The shooter should have listened to the 911 operator and not followed Martin. Martin shouldn't have attacked the shooter. And, obviously, the shooter shouldn't have fucking shot the kid. It was an easily avoidable situation that just erupted and is incredibly unfortunate.

    What should be taken into account here is the law itself. Should people have the right to defend themselves by any means necessary? In some situations, yeah, I think you should be able to. But not this one. Not even close.

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    Did you guys even read what I wrote? I SAID WHEN THEY HAVE THE HOOD ON.

    I wear a hoodie too, especially when it was cold like it was in FEB. However, I don't put the hood on and begin to follow someone with it on. It creates suspicion.

    Quote Originally Posted by raven1980 View Post
    this is retarded it was raining and he was wearing a hoodie oh god the horror he should have known better to wear a hood in the rain rolls eyes
    There's something called an umbrella....

    The heck is a hoodie going to do when its raining?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRed View Post
    Geraldo Rivera? Seriously though, I don't buy that at all. I wear a hoodie all the time. It doesn't mean I am up to no good. Should women not wear skirts because it may give men sexual urges? I don't see why anyone should automatically fear someone in a hoodie.
    I am of the belief that women do under-dress themselves to a point that they become a target and put a bullseye on their back to have creeps thinking no good. I am sure some women share this same belief when they go out but I have seen women under-dress and really set themselves up to be approached by creeps/thugs. I just never got the thought process. Sure as hell does not excuse the guy for trying to be a creep and rape her but some women have to know better as to how they present themselves when going out.

    And here is what I was referring to as to that idiot Spike Lee was fully responsible of....

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    Bullshit. Absolute Pure fucking bullshit.

    First of all, I don't want to be that guy who says this, but it needs to be said. Are you referring to "17 year old black kids" or just "17 year old kids" in general?



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    Isn't the media circulating images of the shooter looking all shady? And the picture of the victim they are circulating picture him as a damn 5 year old LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blindy View Post
    I don't put the hood on and begin to follow someone with it on. It creates suspicion.
    Of course wearing a hood while following someone would be seen as suspicious however it's my understanding that Martin (the one wearing the hood) was being followed and not the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lonewolf View Post
    Of course wearing a hood while following someone would be seen as suspicious however it's my understanding that Martin (the one wearing the hood) was being followed and not the other way around.
    Its up in the air with all of it though...so your right that I should be careful how in portraying the story.

    Its he said, she said as of now...just I am looking at it more so from a common sense aspect of not putting yourself in such danger or in harm's way by having the hood on in public. Damn shame a young kid's life was lost, it was unnecessary.

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    What I wanna know is how this guy hasn't at least been arrested yet? the cops around here fucked up big time.

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    My opinion of this is that the kid shouldn't have died but I don't think it's murder. Zimmerman should likely be charged with Negligent Homicide, not only because that's what I think likely happened, but even if this was a straight out murder I doubt they'd be able to prove it considered how little evidence there was.

    Zimmerman should never have gotten out of his car, but if Martin was stopping to look at houses at night as he walked down the street I can see how that might raise a red flag in an area that had some robberies recently.

    As for the video that was released today, I don't think it proved anything. While he wasn't as bloody as I would have thought, it easily could have been a case of he was cleaned up at the scene. Something that happens rather often. Plus there did seem to be a mark of some sort of the back of his head and an officer did look at the back of his head for a short time at one point. Which could be the wound to the back of his head the police report mentioned. The quality of the video is not good enough to be sure.

    Outside of the shooting itself, the worst part of this has been the media reaction to this. When the story first broke nationally, almost none of the stories talked about Zimmerman being wounded despite that being in the local news days after the shooting. With that, the young picture being used of the victim, and extremely one sided wording of the news articles they clearly painted a very bias picture of the situation. The very first article I read, which was on CNN.com, about it was so bias that I instantly knew there was far more to the story and then started searching the local media to get a better picture.

    Another thing that is bothering me are the death threats and cries for vengeance against Zimmerman. I half expect to find him lynched or killed at some point with all the hate going around. There's even a twitter account solely so people can make death threats to him. It's gotten so bad that people who just happen to share his last name have been forced to flee their homes after Spike Lee tweeted their address saying that's where Zimmerman was hiding out.

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    People with a history of violence should not be allowed to own guns.

    But walking around alone at night time is just insane to me. No idea what his city's like, but I'd be out of my mind to do that where I live. And honestly, he should have called the cops as soon as he noticed the 250 pound psycho stalking him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed View Post
    What I wanna know is how this guy hasn't at least been arrested yet? the cops around here fucked up big time.
    Simple, the evidence is so slight that it will make a convection extremely hard to make. Even though he confessed to the shooting, his self defense claims and lack of evidence disproving that will make a convection almost impossible unless something new comes to light. In fact according to police, much of the evidence leads credence to Zimmerman's story. The last thing they want is to arrest him only for them to lose the case because they rushed the gun due to public pressure. Police often have to let someone they know are guilt walk free because they don't have the proof.

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    I have no idea what went down that night but one thing that the media seems to gloss over is that Zimmerman's injuries do seem to be consistent with his story (he had a broken nose and some other injuries) and there is an eyewitness that claims that they saw Martin attack Zimmerman. Don't get me wrong, if he shot the kid in cold blood than he should face the consequences. But if the shooting was justified than people need to back off the guy. But mainly, allow the investigators and the prosecutor to gather the evidence and determine what course of action to take before jumping to conclusions and stirring up social outrage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed View Post
    What I wanna know is how this guy hasn't at least been arrested yet? the cops around here fucked up big time.
    This goes back to what I said earlier about the law being called into question. Technically, what Zimmerman did isn't illegal and therefore he has done nothing that warrants an arrest.

    This is a law that really scares me, especially with the crazies running Canada right now (but I won't get into that). This law gave Zimmerman the power to murder a teenager simply because he felt his life was in danger.

    Yeah, if a teenager began beating the shit out of me I might fear for my life too, but I wouldn't be following him in the first place, ESPECIALLY if the 911 operator told me not to. Therein lies the problem with this law. It's essentially based on the situation at hand and is going to vary or differ depending on what can be proven.

    Has anyone heard the 911 call of the guy that shot and killed two men robbing his neighbours house? This case has been compared to that one a few times on TV. It basically went down as:

    Man - "There's two men robbing my neighbours house, I'm gonna go shoot them with this shotgun I have."
    911 Operator - "No, don't do that."
    Man - "It's within my rights. I know the law."
    911 Operator "Yes but-"
    BANG! BANG!
    Man - "Alright I killed them."

    These laws are slowly becoming a way for people to justify murder. And yeah, it's becoming a race issue too.

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    From the articles I've read they say the witness saw Martin on top of Zimmerman which one would think the fight had already started at that point and doesn't really prove who threw the first punch/shove/touched the other person.

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    All I know is that if I started stalking somebody down the street at night time I'd get my ass kicked or likely something worse.

    It is kind of scary that this guy's allowed to continue stalking people at his leisure while carrying a gun.

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    The Stand Your Ground law has nothing to do with this case. No one involved in the case, other then Martin's parents have made that claim. Zimmerman's own lawyer said that it does not apply. The police said that it does not apply. It was the media, I believe CNN, who first brought up the Stand Your Ground law. What Zimmerman is claiming is the regular self defense law which states that you can used lethal force is you think your life is in danger. And if Zimmerman's story that Martin was on top of him, slammed his head into the ground and kept attacking him then Zimmerman might have been at the point where lethal force is allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RT View Post
    This goes back to what I said earlier about the law being called into question. Technically, what Zimmerman did isn't illegal and therefore he has done nothing that warrants an arrest.

    This is a law that really scares me, especially with the crazies running Canada right now (but I won't get into that). This law gave Zimmerman the power to murder a teenager simply because he felt his life was in danger.

    Yeah, if a teenager began beating the shit out of me I might fear for my life too, but I wouldn't be following him in the first place, ESPECIALLY if the 911 operator told me not to. Therein lies the problem with this law. It's essentially based on the situation at hand and is going to vary or differ depending on what can be proven.

    Has anyone heard the 911 call of the guy that shot and killed two men robbing his neighbours house? This case has been compared to that one a few times on TV. It basically went down as:

    Man - "There's two men robbing my neighbours house, I'm gonna go shoot them with this shotgun I have."
    911 Operator - "No, don't do that."
    Man - "It's within my rights. I know the law."
    911 Operator "Yes but-"
    BANG! BANG!
    Man - "Alright I killed them."

    These laws are slowly becoming a way for people to justify murder. And yeah, it's becoming a race issue too.
    Actually if i remember right with that case his neighbor was away on vacation and he asked the guy to watch over his house and make sure nothing happened

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_fallen View Post
    Actually if i remember right with that case his neighbor was away on vacation and he asked the guy to watch over his house and make sure nothing happened
    Which is even worse. The house was empty, no lives were at risk. The idiot should have let the cops do their job.

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