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    Oh man, I wasted so many CD's trying to figure out how to do the swap trick. I finally broke down and sent my Saturn off to have a mod chip installed, no more swapping and you can play the Japanese games. The guy who did mine is MIA and I'm not sure if anybody even installs those anymore. One quirky Saturn game that I always enjoyed was Shin Shinobi Den. It's nowhere near as good as the Genesis Shinobi games but the FMV cut scenes in between levels are solid ninja gold:



    It's too bad that the gameplay is garbage. It just blows my mind that Sega never took advantage of what the Saturn could do with 2D with their popular Genesis IP's, should have gotten some super 2D Ecco, Sonic, Shinobi, Streets of Rage, etc. Instead everybody was obsessed with 3D and those shitty ass prerendered Mortal Kombat style graphics that have aged like sour milk.

    I finally finished Ecco The Dolphin last night. Jesus I love this game. Those final H.R. Giger levels are so awesome. That moment when you finally find that time machine in Atlantis is one of the coolest moments in any Genesis game. Also love how the asterite sends you back in time to the very beginning of the game, such a trip. Even though they are ridiculously hard I really love those last few levels on the alien ship. I would definitely have to move this game up into my top 5 favorite Genesis games. I just love the story of this game so much, dolphin survival horror in 2D, ancient aliens, the lost city of Atlantis, and some Terminator time traveling paradox shit straight out of an episode of Through The Wormhole. The final boss battle is just beyond awesome.

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    Instead everybody was obsessed with 3D and those shitty ass prerendered Mortal Kombat style graphics that have aged like sour milk.
    I'm not going to lie, that fad is one of my curiosities of the 90s. If there was the chance, I would order in some IcoPro and just spend an afternoon playing Pit Fighter, Shinobi Legions, NBA Jam, Primal Rage, WWF Wrestlemania the Arcade Game and Jurassic Park. Who am I kidding? I'm going to make that dream a reality.

    Slowly but surely growing the Saturn collection. I need to settle down and pick a game to playthrough otherwise I'm just going to have all these games and have no time to play any of them. I've been reading up on old Sega Saturn magazine from the UK. Really good stuff, they realised all the good stuff was coming out in Japan so they mostly cover that while providing a lot of detailed walkthroughs for games like Dragon Force II & Grandia. I love it when a publication goes balls to the walls and covers everything for a system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Pete View Post
    I'm not going to lie, that fad is one of my curiosities of the 90s. If there was the chance, I would order in some IcoPro and just spend an afternoon playing Pit Fighter, Shinobi Legions, NBA Jam, Primal Rage, WWF Wrestlemania the Arcade Game and Jurassic Park. Who am I kidding? I'm going to make that dream a reality.

    Slowly but surely growing the Saturn collection. I need to settle down and pick a game to playthrough otherwise I'm just going to have all these games and have no time to play any of them. I've been reading up on old Sega Saturn magazine from the UK. Really good stuff, they realised all the good stuff was coming out in Japan so they mostly cover that while providing a lot of detailed walkthroughs for games like Dragon Force II & Grandia. I love it when a publication goes balls to the walls and covers everything for a system.
    Check out Mr. Bones, it's a trip:


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    Mr. Bones was certainly on my radar, but I wasn't expecting it to be anything like that. I thought it would be a stock 2D action game with skeletons, I wasn't expecting it to rival Earthworm Jim for creativity. Good stuff, I'll have to play through it at some point. The only problem is that whenever I look into Saturn, I fall down other rabbit holes. For example, I was looking at all the 2D Fighting games and realised most of them were just arcade ports. So an hour later I'm knee deep in games like Karnov's Revenge, Alien Challenge and Dan-Ku-Ga. I love this shit, 2D sprites with slick animations, colourful scenary...I just go into Heroin Hero mode. Instead of actually playing games, I just find myself on Gamefaqs searching through their database to check out all the 2D Fighters/Beat Ém Ups etc. that have come out and just been blown away by all the stuff I missed out. I'd pay good money if Retro Magazine just devoted an entire issue to 90s 2D Fighters, that would definitely tide me over until Yakuza Kiwami comes out.

    Looking more into Mr. Bones, it was the first game created by Zono Inc. It was also their only 2D Platformer, they mostly stuck with Strategy games usually based on real world events...and then got a hold of the Alien v Predator license as well. That's cool though, I like it when outsiders throw their hat into the ring. It can get tiring seeing Capcom, Nintendo, Rare, Namco, Sega etc. make games for the genre, sometimes you need fresh blood to broaden the horizons.

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    I went to a video game fair today. It was amazing. A retro game emporium. Luckily for me, the PSX and PS2 were by far the most represented consoles. Every stall had a large collection of Playstation games. Sega games were almost as plentiful. I was surprised at the lack of NES/SNES games. Less than half the stalls had any to offer, and almost those that did had no rare or lesser known games to offer. One stall stood out among the pack in terms of having the rarest games. They had a bunch of super rare and super expensive PSX games. Legend of Dragoon for £100. Suikoden I and II for over £120 each (Suikoden II was going for £200 at another stall). Symphony of the Night even more. They also had the largest SNES collection by far and a few rare games. Took a couple of pictures of those. Unfortunately the second picture came out blurry. There's Terranigma, Secret of Mana and Secret of Evermore among others. I didn't see those games anywhere else, and I looked pretty closely.



    One standout stall was Deadpan Robot who specialise in modding old Nintendo handhelds.



    The most obvious mod is the backlight screen. Not visible there are USB ports to charge Game Boys and not have to constantly replace 4xAA batteries. While I was experiencing nostalgia overload with Super Mario Land, a young child and his father wandered over. The child had clearly never seen any of these gizmos in his life. I told him I was playing Mario, which the kid seemed to know, and I handed it over. I told him how to jump. He jumped off a ledge and died immediately. He lost interest. But a Game Boy Advance caught his eye. Once he had it, he started trying to tap the screen

    Normally I have good impulse control but when I'm surrounded by Playstation games at every turn, money left my wallet alarmingly quickly. I got some good deals and only one instance of buying a game that I found at a much cheaper price elsewhere. I'll share my purchases in the pickups thread.

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    Holy mackeral, I want to go to one of those!

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    That's awesome Emp, great photos. Is that Mystical Ninja 2 I spy? Or the original? Would be a great price if it's the former, still the original is one of my favourite games of all-time.

    Also while I share your surprise on the Nintendo front, apparently PAL gamers were never really on the Nintendo bandwagon. SEGA and Sony typically dominated our markets, largely because Nintendo products were far more expensive out here and we usually missed out on their best titles. SEGA and Sony treated us better and they were rewarded in kind.

    I saw your haul, it's very impressive. What game do you reckon you'll start with?

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    That's awesome Emp, great photos. Is that Mystical Ninja 2 I spy? Or the original? Would be a great price if it's the former, still the original is one of my favourite games of all-time.
    You'll have to point it out to me in the picture because I've never heard of that game and didn't register anything with that title. When I browsed the SNES games I was looking for the JRPGs. That was the only place I found any. No Illusion of Gaia anywhere though

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    I saw your haul, it's very impressive. What game do you reckon you'll start with?
    Very impressive and very expensive. I have no regrets, though. It's an investment. These games will give me hours of funtime and I'm becming something of a Playstation games collector.

    As for what's next, my current PS2 playthrough is Star Ocean: TTEOT, but I've reached another point where I have no motivation to play it. I'm just going to abandon it and start a new game. Not sure which one. My Playstation backlog has become enormous. I'm thinking Onimusha: Warlords. While I've played Onimusha 2 a million times, haven't played the original since I was a kid.

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    Mystical Ninja is above Mortal Kombat Mythologies.

    Shame that they didn't have Illusion of Time Emp, but they have Terranigma which is the superior sequel. I doubt it would have been cheap, it was about 50 quid back in '05, I doubt time has done it any favours.

    It sucks that Capcom hasn't released Onimusha on PSN yet, I've really wanted to get my hands on the entire trilogy so I can play it all in one go. That sounds like a great pick, you can't go wrong with Capcom and Onimusha was one of the best series of the sixth generation.

    I'm focusing more on modern consoles, but if I was collecting for the PS2, I'd love to go after some more Capcom titles. Games like Gregory Horror Show, Crimson Tears, Shadow of Rome, Under The Skin and Bombastic. Really I'm a sucker for a lot of their games, so even their middle of the road beat 'em ups appeal to me.

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    Terranigma is superior, huh? I always thought Illusion of Gaia was the best of the three because it was the most well-known. At least in my eyes. Probably way off-base there. Terranigma is on the top right of the second picture. Price tag is just out of shot. £90. The most expensive SNES game on display.

    Shadow of Rome is Capcom? I had no idea. They have a great track record. I've not heard of those other games you mentioned. The last Capcom PS2 game I played was Haunting Ground which I gave up on pretty quickly. It had the feel of a Capcom game with the graphics and movement controls, but it didn't grab me as the likes of Project Zero did. In fact it outright bored me and one of the "scary" bad guys is laughable.

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    A lot of Capcom games in the sixth generation were hit and miss. For every Resident Evil 4, Onimusha 2 and Devil May Cry 3 you'd get a Auto Modellista to stink things up. I think I have a copy of Haunting Ground lying around here somewhere, my brother was pretty big on the survival horror stuff at the time and we had a ton of Capcom games.

    Check out the list of Capcom games that came out in PAL territories...

    Onimusha: Warlords
    Resident Evil: Code Veronica X
    Capcom vs SNK 2: Mark of the Millennium 2001
    Devil May Cry
    Maximo
    Onimusha 2
    Mobile Suit Gundam: Federation v Zeon
    Marvel vs Capcom 2
    Auto Modellista
    Devil May Cry 2
    Chaos Legion
    Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter
    Greggory Horror Show
    Maximo vs The Army of Zin
    Onimusha Blade Warriors
    Onimusha 3
    Resident Evil Outbreak
    Under The Skin
    Shadow of Rome
    Capcom Fighting Jam
    Devil May Cry 3
    Haunting Ground
    Monster Hunter
    Resident Evil Outbreak File #2
    Resident Evil 4
    Devil Kings
    Onimusha: Dawn of Dreams
    Final Fight: Street Wise

    We actually faired just as well if not better than our US counter-parts. While they got a few more compilation packs than us (including the awesome Mega Man X comp) we got that quirky Greggory Horror Show game which is supposed to be a pretty decent take on the survival horror genre. Naturally, Japan faired better than everyone gaining access to their Dynasty Warriors clone Sengoku Basara and Monster Hunter 2 which helped turn that series into a phenomenon over there. They also apparently made a Black Cat licensed game, which would have been news to me since I enjoyed the manga when I was younger.

    So Illusion of Gaia is the second part of the Soul Blazer series and unlike Terranigma, also came out in the States. There were four entries in total for the series - Soul Blazer, Illusion of Gaia/Time, Terranigma and Grand Stream Saga (for the PS1). I've only played through Terranigma so I can't vouch for the others, but if they're anything like Terranigma expect some solid top-down Action-RPG gameplay, charming visuals, good story and an awesome OST.

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    I've only played through Terranigma so I can't vouch for the others, but if they're anything like Terranigma expect some solid top-down Action-RPG gameplay, charming visuals, good story and an awesome OST.
    That's exactly what I would tell you about Illusion of Gaia. Well, not so much the story, but everything else is top notch.

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    Played a little bit of Muramasa: The Demon Blade, if it ever gets Leifthrasir'd for PS4 I'll be all over it, but something with the Wii controls just wasn't jibing with me. Fun at it's base, but I felt the nun chuck was somehow too sensitive, while at the same time, not sensitive enough. Like, it'd go from being floaty to stubborn at the drop of the hat. Maybe if I had a decent Gamecube controller, but just wasn't into it.

    So, after that little jump to the past, I jumped a bit farther, and started in on Psychonauts. This is one of those games I played just a smidge of right after it came out, loved it, but for reasons I can't at all remember I just never continued on, didn't get very far at all. I'm almost done at this point, to the final couple areas, and god damn is it as great as I remember. I love the way it tracks what items are in each area, so you know exactly what you're looking for (except the scavenger hunt, where you just know how many you're looking for, but not what), keeps collecting nice and tight.

    My only real gripe is that the figments are damn near invisible at times, they're only 2D so from a certain angle you just can't see them; also troublesome when they're moving, as it's hard to exactly tell their depth. Also there was a racing section when they blended far too much with the surroundings, and you really had to be right up on them to see, and even then they could be easy to miss. Thankfully, they're tracked in a way that lets you know the EXACT figment you're missing, there was one that even looking for it was harder than hell to see, no telling how long it would have taken me to find without the guide (I looked for twenty minutes, and even passed it (moving slowly) several times.

    Other than that, sometimes the camera is finicky and depth is hard to judge, but that's basically bog standard for the genre. Fun game all around, good for laughs.
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    Went to town yesterday and hit up the retro shop. Its crazy that my soft modded XBOX has eliminated the need for any Genesis/SNES/NES/64 games, I was looking through those sections yesterday and it's like wow, I have all of this. I mostly look for Dreamcast/Saturn/Sega CD stuff, yesterday I actually bought Waverace Blue Storm for Gamecube. The N64 Waverace is one of my favorite games of all time, easily one of my favorite N64 games, hell if I were to rank the N64 library Waverace would probably be my #1 actually, I like it that much. I've read a lot of great things about the Gamecube version, looking forward to checking it out later today. Slowly but surely building a nice little Gamecube collection. I need to pick up Twilight Princess and Mario Sunshine. I almost bought Sunshine yesterday but it was like $27, I ended up buying a few movies instead.

    I've never really heard much about Super Mario Sunshine, was it worth $27?
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    My only experience with Blue Storm is from the GameSack review. The gist was that the characters were edgier and the announcer was a giant asshole which gave the game a cynical vibe. Still a good game, but not quite as enjoyable as the original. Otherwise the game is an utter mystery to me and everybody seems to reference the original more than the sequel which is never a good sign.

    Mario Sunshine is a great game, but $27 is pricey. Unless you're desperate to play Mario, I'm sure you could find it cheaper on Ebay or if you really wanted to get a deal maybe the markets? I don't know, my only experience with the Houston retro scene is from the Game Chasers where they didn't have a lot of nice things to say about it. I'm not sure if that's just that weird Dallas/Houston rivalry you guys have got going though.

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    My only experience with Blue Storm is from the GameSack review. The gist was that the characters were edgier and the announcer was a giant asshole which gave the game a cynical vibe. Still a good game, but not quite as enjoyable as the original. Otherwise the game is an utter mystery to me and everybody seems to reference the original more than the sequel which is never a good sign.

    Mario Sunshine is a great game, but $27 is pricey. Unless you're desperate to play Mario, I'm sure you could find it cheaper on Ebay or if you really wanted to get a deal maybe the markets? I don't know, my only experience with the Houston retro scene is from the Game Chasers where they didn't have a lot of nice things to say about it. I'm not sure if that's just that weird Dallas/Houston rivalry you guys have got going though.
    I need to take a trip to Dallas someday to see what they got as far as retro game shops.


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    Yeah Blue Storm is not good. Noticed this game came out in 2001, was this a Gamecube launch title? The graphics have this low resolution look to them, not as good as I was expecting. I really dislike the little effect where the water splashes onto the camera and smears the view. Water physics is what felt off to me compared to the sweet ass N64 original, they just don't feel as good on the GC game, feels more like you are riding a dirtbike or ATV across rugged terrain, gravity feels weird compared to the 64 original, I don't know how to explain it. Controls just don't handle nearly as good as the N64 game. I read a review for the 64 game a while back that said that it wasn't worth bothering with since the Gamecube version was such an upgrade and did everything better, I have to wholeheartedly disagree with that. The 64 game blows this one out of the water in a lot of different ways, I got bored with this after about 10 minutes. Good thing it was only $4.
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