Final Fantasy XII

[~LK~]

What is your opinion on this game?

I just bought it like last week and started playing it and I find it to be a fun game so far. Took me a bit to get use to the new battle system, though. Final Fantasy XIII is going back to the regular battle system.

But for anybody who's finished the game, is it a fairly long game? Short? Or just right? Don't spoil anything for me, just let me know if you thought it was short or long, you know?

[shane_man]

Shorter then I expected. But highly enjoyable.

[ThePoopMonster]

At first I was sucked right into it but then when I got to that huge desert type area with the platforms over the sand I lost interest and never played it again.

Fun little fact: FFXII is the only Final Fantasy I have not beat. FFXI is unbeatable so it does not count.

[Missy]

What is your opinion on this game?

I just bought it like last week and started playing it and I find it to be a fun game so far. Took me a bit to get use to the new battle system, though. Final Fantasy XIII is going back to the regular battle system.

But for anybody who's finished the game, is it a fairly long game? Short? Or just right? Don't spoil anything for me, just let me know if you thought it was short or long, you know?

Thats not entirely true. Its going to be a new battle system with a mixture of FFX and FFXII's systems.

[HilaryFan]

Loved it. My save was about 75 hours and i didnt do that much side stuff at all, so i would say main plot is probably 60-65 hours, which is longer than or as long as any other Final Fantasy from my experience.. If you do the side stuff, which i intend to do second time round after i finish with Xenogears, your looking at way over 100 hours.

I really enjoyed the new battle system, the Mark Hunting is great fun, loved a fair few of the characters (Basch, Balthier, Gabranth, Vossler, Vayne, Larsa, Ashe, Cid, Fran was ok) and the story was very good in most parts.

The story did drag at parts however when i found myself saying "why am i in this temple again?" and Vaan and Penelo had almost no point to them after a certain amount of time. Ashe should have been billed the main character and Vaan should have been a side character.

All in all a very good Final Fantasy, its not better than 7 or 9 but it has a chance against the others.

[OwnageSpree]

I loved the sidequest hunts and hunting for the espers.. Those were so much fun.. THe only thing i didn't really care for was the storyline to much.. I don't even remember it it was that weak..

[Werehunter]

I didn't care for it nearly as much as the others. I've played the others numerous times but this one I didn't even come close to finishing it. I don't know if it was the new skill system, which I highly disliked, or something else.

[Razor_Blade]

Out of all the Final Fantasy games I have played (All from ps1-ps2), it was the worst in my opinion... But not at all a bad game, I wont go into details since it would contain spoliers to point out flaws. Let's just say I don't think it felt like a FF game.

I dont think it's shorter or longer than FFX, but I never rush trough the FF games so I don't know how long it would take if you only do main mission quests. But you will get hours upon hours of game play.

[Zirich]

I thought it was a decent length. If you really get into the Hunts and the Esper quests, it'll run you 60-75 hours.

I didn't have anything against the game. It just..... didn't really stand out. I didn't really connect with the characters except for Balthier and Basch (who SHOULD have been the main character, goddammit). There weren't any "WOW" moments in the game for me, and the ending felt really flat (probably because the final boss wasn't hard at all).

Those of you who have played a lot of Final Fantasies will understand. Whenever I've beaten a Final Fantasy (4, 6, 7-10), I had this incredible feeling of accomplishment. I felt like I had really DONE something. But with 12..... I was just like ".....okay." It never did anything that gave me a vested interest in it.

But, I will say that the Esper battles are the BEST. That is one part of the game that I really got into. I don't think I was ever so determined during a fight in any Final Fantasy.

[G/B]

It's a very good game and I enjoyed it. Probably not one of the most stand out games in the series but it is a very good game. I just didn't care for the characters enough but other then that, it is a good game.

[Locuro]

I thought it was decent, but will agree with the sentiments that it either didn't feel like a Final Fantasy game and/or the story just didn't have much of an impact.

I think the main gripe most have is with Vaan. Most think he shouldn't have been the main character, but I'd actually suggest that he never was and was never meant to be. While he was the playable character, I think SE went a different route and had the player control a character that was basically just caught up in everything and along for the ride, while having Ashe, Balthier, and Basch be the main characters. The entire story of the game, and especially the way the ending plays out, makes this suggestion definitely seem to be the case.

[Zirich]

I thought it was decent, but will agree with the sentiments that it either didn't feel like a Final Fantasy game and/or the story just didn't have much of an impact.

I think the main gripe most have is with Vaan. Most think he shouldn't have been the main character, but I'd actually suggest that he never was and was never meant to be. While he was the playable character, I think SE went a different route and had the player control a character that was basically just caught up in everything and along for the ride, while having Ashe, Balthier, and Basch be the main characters. The entire story of the game, and especially the way the ending plays out, makes this suggestion definitely seem to be the case.


Well, Vaan isn't the central character. But he's the main character in terms of whose point of view the game is seen from. It's not so much Vaan's journey, but it is his story.

Shoulda been Basch's story, goddammit.

[HilaryFan]

I disagree, i thought it was just as epic as any other FF in most parts. The ending wasnt flat, it all tied up very nicely, certainly more nicely than 6 and 7 did. Also the last boss isnt that easy if your not over levelled and have only done a little bit of extra grinding.

There were plenty of 'wow moments'

Vosslers betrayal and that whole scene on the leviathan, Vaynes hostile takeover and making Gabranth kill the Judge, being chased through the mines by the bounty hunters, everything to do with the Cid-Balthier sub plot, Vaynes speech to the people of Dalmasca, the whole intriguing thing with the dead King and finding out Basch has a twin, the epic battles with Espers and numerous very large bosses and some very unique bosses too such as the little bandit crew.

The story and game as a whole is better than people are giving it credit for. Its a fantastic Final Fantasy game despite the changes.

[Emperor]

I wasn't a fan of the story at all. Too political and all that, and I didn't really know what was going on during my first playthrough. The scenes with the judges are really confusing as you don't know who is who, and I didn't really know the significance of most of the side characters.

Still it's a really fun game. The boss battles and hunts are always really enjoyable. Haven't got around to completing it yet, but I've just got to fight the final boss, and maybe grind a bit beforehand, then I'm done.

[Blindy]

Logged in about 100 hrs of this game, and the only things I had left to do was kill that god damn thing in the coliseum(It'll take me forever to slay him, he has that much fucking HP), somehow reach the end to take on that crazy esper in the Mines(hidden parts). Boss even then is a cheap fucker with the status effects and beat the final form of Vayne(He's a cheap ass :lol:). What rocked was that for just about all of the game outside of the late quests, I NEVER found out the greatness that are bubble belts or bubble spells which grant you additional HP. Now had I KNOWN about that, this would have been a much easier ride but I did it the hard way :cool: Wasted at least 3-4 hrs alone on the deathbringer(2 of them)......Yeah I needed that :$

Granted I havent played the game in months so my memory isnt as great as once was but the team of Basch, Balthier and Fran is a filthy one. I love the quickenings, if I am lucky I can rack up 21-22 hit combos off them.

Its an awesome game especially if you get into the hunts. Some of them are a pain in the ass honestly but it makes it all the more fun. Storyline's weak though, it was all over the place.............Too bad Dr Cid wasnt playable somehow he was one of the best characters in the game :(

[Razor_Blade]

I disagree, i thought it was just as epic as any other FF in most parts. The ending wasnt flat, it all tied up very nicely, certainly more nicely than 6 and 7 did. Also the last boss isnt that easy if your not over levelled and have only done a little bit of extra grinding.

There were plenty of 'wow moments'

The story and game as a whole is better than people are giving it credit for. Its a fantastic Final Fantasy game despite the changes.

I will agree that it was a good game, my problem with XII is that it did not feel like a Final Fantasy game.. It did not give me that haunting feeling I had been used too in the FF series. What I like with your usual FF game has been the depth of the NPCS/PC. XII was to much action and too little drama. I don't know how to explain this, since I don't want to spoil anything for the people who has not played the game yet.

I miss the interpersonal relationships, as well as the central characters history and destiny set as the starting point for the drama. In your usual FF game the demons they are fighting against on the inside is just as big as the monsters they fight on the battlefield. But in XII it was the otherway around.
Sometimes it feels like the devs invented the story as they built it.

Another thing is that I did not like the artistic look of XII, Yes the cinematic was awesome in a good way, but somehow the characters face had similarities with rodents... :lol:

All that said it was a cool game, still is. It had it's moments. But to me, it lacked the soul,internal strugle,love and drama of the previous FF's.

[Layne]

Remember enjoying it, but it didn't hook me in the same way as 7 or 9, so I didn't finish it.

[Afficial]

That's weird, I just started playing a new game yesterday. :stalker:

I think it's awesome. I don't even think I beat the game when I played it the first time, I got to the very end and was just beating everything else in the game and then I just stopped playing it. I couldn't go back and just start playing from my old file again, since I didn't remember how to play and everything, so I just started a new game. I found it to be very long, if you do hunts and sidequests etc.. I had 130 hours on my game file so that's longer than any game I've played I'm pretty sure.

I didn't like the battle system at first, actually I was pretty pissed off they changed it, but I got used to it and I love it now. The only thing I don't really like about this game is the treasure chests. They're random. Sometimes they won't show up in places, and you get random items from them. Other than that though, great game.

[Locuro]

Well, Vaan isn't the central character. But he's the main character in terms of whose point of view the game is seen from. It's not so much Vaan's journey, but it is his story.

Shoulda been Basch's story, goddammit.

That was pretty much my point and what I said. While you actually play as Vaan, he was never the main character as far as the story of the game is concerned. The story hinges mainly on Ashe, Basch, and Balthier... while you play as Vaan, who is basically just a kid who gets caught up in everything and is there to assist the others.

[Lucas]

I thought it was an okay game. The beginning and the ending were awesome but I found myself bored with most of the game in between. I'm really hoping FF13 gets rid of the sphere grid/license board system.

[Ζєяơ◊ﮎσųζяєą√єя]

Felt too much like a MMO instead. I didn't like it much and I hated most of the characters.

[JACKNIFE]

least enjoyable of the batch between 7-12 imo. i got close to the end but just lost interest and never finished it. the muted color scheme i though made it seem dreary at times. and yes, Basch should of been the main character.

not BAD, just didnt live up to "final fantasy" expectations imo.

[HilaryFan]

So if we get some sort of downloadable FF12 characters for Final Fantasy Dissida (i cannot wait for a pal release of it, gonna be the best handheld game ever!!), which 2 do you think would be right?

Balthier/Cid?
Ashe/Vayne?
Basch/Gabranth?

[~LK~]

So I went to GameStop today to see buy Final Fantasy X, which I'll play after I beat 12. But I saw one I hadn't heard of before called Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus. I was tempted to get it. It was Final Fantasy VII, so I thought it had to be good. I liked the design of the case cover as well. But then I remembered how I always seem to buy games I think are good but when I play them, they suck and I regret buying them. So I stuck with my decision to get FF10. So can anybody tell me, did I make the right decision? Is that FF7: DoC any good?

[HilaryFan]

So I went to GameStop today to see buy Final Fantasy X, which I'll play after I beat 12. But I saw one I hadn't heard of before called Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus. I was tempted to get it. It was Final Fantasy VII, so I thought it had to be good. I liked the design of the case cover as well. But then I remembered how I always seem to buy games I think are good but when I play them, they suck and I regret buying them. So I stuck with my decision to get FF10. So can anybody tell me, did I make the right decision? Is that FF7: DoC any good?

I actually have DOC round my house at the moment, borrowed off a friend. I have yet to play it but i hear the gameplay sorta sucks, but the story is very good. I am going to play it just because of my love for FF7, Crisis Core and Advent Children and i want to see where the story ends up, since this is set the furthest in the future.

If the gameplay is that bad though i may just watch the cut scenes on youtube.

P.s. have you played X before? I just played through the whole thing for the first time since i never got chance last time, and its amazing. Your going to love it.

[Blindy]

So I went to GameStop today to see buy Final Fantasy X, which I'll play after I beat 12. But I saw one I hadn't heard of before called Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus. I was tempted to get it. It was Final Fantasy VII, so I thought it had to be good. I liked the design of the case cover as well. But then I remembered how I always seem to buy games I think are good but when I play them, they suck and I regret buying them. So I stuck with my decision to get FF10. So can anybody tell me, did I make the right decision? Is that FF7: DoC any good?
FF10 is a great game and while I never played DoC, I havent heard much good things on it.

Only one thing is FFX doesnt feel as long once you play FFXII :lol:

[Locuro]

IIRC Dirge of Cerberus isn't an RPG so much. It is more along the lines of a third person shooter that has RPG elements to it. That's just based on memory though, so I could be wrong.

[Lucas]

Dirge of Cerberus has a good story but the gameplay is a bit off. If you enjoyed FF7 I'd get it and beat it just for the story. Its only about a 13 hour game.

[MShrooms]

I thought the story to FFXII was poor in comparison to older FF's, but the gameplay and sure size of the game more than made up for it, I logged in way over 100 hours before I beat it. Must say I'm pretty excited for FFXIII and Vs XIII... hopefully coming out this coming year :P

[Ness]

I have to agree with the story being a downer. I too often would find myself exploring dungeons and forgetting why. It also felt like a major grind fest. I still enjoyed playing it though. Not a top 5 in the FF series, but enjoyable nonetheless.

[~LK~]

I actually have DOC round my house at the moment, borrowed off a friend. I have yet to play it but i hear the gameplay sorta sucks, but the story is very good. I am going to play it just because of my love for FF7, Crisis Core and Advent Children and i want to see where the story ends up, since this is set the furthest in the future.

If the gameplay is that bad though i may just watch the cut scenes on youtube.

P.s. have you played X before? I just played through the whole thing for the first time since i never got chance last time, and its amazing. Your going to love it.

Yeah, I played X before when I first got it after it first came out. But I never got close to finishing it. I didn't get too far from the beginning actually. Somehow we lost the game.

[G/B]

So I went to GameStop today to see buy Final Fantasy X, which I'll play after I beat 12. But I saw one I hadn't heard of before called Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus. I was tempted to get it. It was Final Fantasy VII, so I thought it had to be good. I liked the design of the case cover as well. But then I remembered how I always seem to buy games I think are good but when I play them, they suck and I regret buying them. So I stuck with my decision to get FF10. So can anybody tell me, did I make the right decision? Is that FF7: DoC any good?
You did an excellent choice.

Though Dirge of Cerberus wasn't bad as a few said. X is by far my favorite in the series.

[~LK~]

Maybe somebody can help me out a bit?

I'm stuck on trying to kill the Wyvern Lord. My weapon attacks aren't hitting him because he's in the air. Anyone who's beat the game, you got any tips to help me beat this prick?

[Emperor]

Maybe somebody can help me out a bit?

I'm stuck on trying to kill the Wyvern Lord. My weapon attacks aren't hitting him because he's in the air. Anyone who's beat the game, you got any tips to help me beat this prick?

I used a party of Fran, Ashe and Penelo for flying bosses, since Fran is my archer and Ashe and Penelo are my strongest magic characters. I just blast away with magic until it dies. For your non-magic users you can try the skill 'Shades Of Black' which casts a random black magic spell or use magic items. Not sure what skills or magics you have since Wyvern Lord is pretty early on in the game, but I can't remember exactly what I did. Just try the magic/archer strategy first.

[Blindy]

If you have Vossler(Which I hope you do at this point) he will telekinesis the fuck out of it for good damage. If you are able to stumble across that spell a bit later, id save the wyvern lord until you get it but if not just heal the guy who rapes with telekinesis and add in some of your own spells and just move around if he is beginning to hit too hard while healing yourself.

[~LK~]

Well do you get Vossler as a main member? Because I do have him, but only as a guest. He didn't use any telekinesis, I don't think.

EDIT: Nevermind. I ended up beating him just now. I started out using the Quickening spells with all my members at the beginning then I just equipped everybody with bows and arrows and attacked him that way. I barely beat him with Penelo being the last one alive.

[BallinMVPStyle]

FFX was the best out of all of them. Then I played FFII and it was crap. One of the hardest games I've played. I think I might try playing again over winter break since there is nothing to do.

[Bill Yen]

FFX was the best out of all of them. Then I played FFII and it was crap. One of the hardest games I've played. I think I might try playing again over winter break since there is nothing to do.

FF2j is the worst FF in my experience. I'd rather play Mystic Quest than that turd of a game.

I still need to play XII.

[BallinMVPStyle]

XII wasn't that great either. I wish they would of kept the same fighting system as they did in FFX.

[Blindy]

Well do you get Vossler as a main member? Because I do have him, but only as a guest. He didn't use any telekinesis, I don't think.

EDIT: Nevermind. I ended up beating him just now. I started out using the Quickening spells with all my members at the beginning then I just equipped everybody with bows and arrows and attacked him that way. I barely beat him with Penelo being the last one alive.
Thats very wierd, Vossler always does the technique vs flying creatures. You'll see what I mean when you face your next boss(Tell me you got the fruit btw)

Maybe he wasnt a high enough level or something. :$ And yeah Vossler will only be a guest for you.

[~LK~]

I wish they would remake FFVI with the graphics XII had. That would be sweet. I think VI had the best story out of all of them and if it had the graphics to go with it, that would be one hell of a game.

[HilaryFan]

Nar, 7 and 9 had the best stories IMO. 6 was great, one of the best FF's, but once in the WOR(you will know what that means, dont wanna ruin it for people like Ness who havnt played) the story sort of came to a slowdown and a certain great character didnt show up for a longggggggg time.

Storywise i say it goes 7,9,10,6,8,4,12,5,1. Tactic's story is fantastic though.

[~LK~]

Nar, 7 and 9 had the best stories IMO. 6 was great, one of the best FF's, but once in the WOR(you will know what that means, dont wanna ruin it for people like Ness who havnt played) the story sort of came to a slowdown and a certain great character didnt show up for a longggggggg time.

Storywise i say it goes 7,9,10,6,8,4,12,5,1. Tactic's story is fantastic though.

My brother and I rented Tactics when it first came out. We played it and thought it was stupid. It just seemed weird to me.

[HilaryFan]

How is it weird? Especially with the new Cut Scenes on the PSP version, the storyline is better than most normal FF's. The gameplay is pretty standard tactical RPG too.

[Blindy]

Nar, 7 and 9 had the best stories IMO. 6 was great, one of the best FF's, but once in the WOR(you will know what that means, dont wanna ruin it for people like Ness who havnt played) the story sort of came to a slowdown and a certain great character didnt show up for a longggggggg time.

Storywise i say it goes 7,9,10,6,8,4,12,5,1. Tactic's story is fantastic though.
I definitely think your underrating FF4, because it's story is top 3 of its series. It actually stood true with the crystal storylines pretty much throughout the game. I didnt like FFX storylines all too much, all just came mushed together with the whole religion becoming bad etc. Seymour was awesome though. Top 3 as far as best badguys in FF series are.

and I loved the FF6 storyline, and I think I know who the certain great character your referring in the WOR who is an absolute pain in the ass to get (:suspic: Locke?) to is but meh you got the best girl in the game to open the game up followed by the judo beast himself Saban and then soon enough Edgar. What more can be asked. :$

[~LK~]

I definitely think your underrating FF4, because it's story is top 3 of its series. It actually stood true with the crystal storylines pretty much throughout the game. I didnt like FFX storylines all too much, all just came mushed together with the whole religion becoming bad etc. Seymour was awesome though. Top 3 as far as best badguys in FF series are.

and I loved the FF6 storyline, and I think I know who the certain great character your referring in the WOR who is an absolute pain in the ass to get (:suspic: Locke?) to is but meh you got the best girl in the game to open the game up followed by the judo beast himself Saban and then soon enough Edgar. What more can be asked. :$

Yeah, I like 4 too. Golbez and Kain were badass. FF4 and 6 have always been my two favorites story wise. I know I should probably say 7 too, but I've actually never played 7. Yes, I said it. I've never played 7. Maybe I should buy it off eBay soon.

As for the certain person who you didn't see until a long time in the WoR, I think HilaryFan may have meant Kefka. I may be wrong. But you really didn't see Kefka in the WoR til the end of the game. And am I wrong? Or isn't Shadow one of the best FF characters of all-time? :)

[HilaryFan]

I definitely think your underrating FF4, because it's story is top 3 of its series. It actually stood true with the crystal storylines pretty much throughout the game. I didnt like FFX storylines all too much, all just came mushed together with the whole religion becoming bad etc. Seymour was awesome though. Top 3 as far as best badguys in FF series are.

and I loved the FF6 storyline, and I think I know who the certain great character your referring in the WOR who is an absolute pain in the ass to get (:suspic: Locke?) to is but meh you got the best girl in the game to open the game up followed by the judo beast himself Saban and then soon enough Edgar. What more can be asked. :$

Oh dont get me wrong, i love 4, it just happens to be up against very stiff competition. Just certain factors keep it down, such as Kains rather forced and underexplained heel and face turns, a certain character falling about 1000ft whilst detonating a bomb he is holding and living, a very lame main antagonist(even lamer than Ultimecia). It had lots of great moments though, like Rydias return as an adult and palom and poroms misfortune.

Oh and as for FF6, i wasnt referring to who you think, though that sucked too. I was referring to Kefka. The guy was stuck in a tower out of sight for about 12 hours.

And as for FFX, i suppose there were some shakey parts around the time a certain character has to stand trial, but i thought overall the journey and the backstory and the love story were mostly fantastic. I possibly did place it a bit too high because its the most recent FF i completed.

[~LK~]

Oh dont get me wrong, i love 4, it just happens to be up against very stiff competition. Just certain factors keep it down, such as Kains rather forced and underexplained heel and face turns, a certain character falling about 1000ft whilst detonating a bomb he is holding and living, a very lame main antagonist(even lamer than Ultimecia). It had lots of great moments though, like Rydias return as an adult and palom and poroms misfortune.


By antagonist, do you mean Golbez or Zeromus? Golbez was badass. But yeah, Zemus was kind of randomly thrown in there at the end.

[HilaryFan]

Oh no i meant Zeromus, he sucked balls. Golbez was cool, looked awesome, had awesome theme music, however, i didnt like how he was basically just being controlled like a puppet for most of the game. Most of what he does appears to really be Zeromus(again, it wasnt really explained crystal clear), so it makes him sort of irrelevant in the character department. Obviously to be possessed it helped he already harboured bad feelings, but why couldnt he just be manipulated, at least then its his character.

I will play again when i get a Ds, reaquaint myself with all this, its been a long time since i played 4.

[Razor_Blade]

And as for FFX, i suppose there were some shakey parts around the time a certain character has to stand trial, but i thought overall the journey and the backstory and the love story were mostly fantastic. I possibly did place it a bit too high because its the most recent FF i completed.

In my opinion all the Final Fantasy games has shaky and even cheesy parts. X-2 has to be the worst.. Japanese humour can at times be a little childish, but it's a part of their charms aswell.

I also like X for the interpersonal relationships between the charathers, the relationship between Yuna and Tidus was done with perfection. My only gripe with FFX was some of the voice acting.. The woman who voiced Yuna seemd like she wasnt really into the role.. I have seen this in a few Japanese games that where transfered to the west, wich is why I advocate subtitles insted of voice overs.
She had improved alot in X-2, wich was a really weird game, I wonder if the makers where smoking opium while they made it.. Strangely I actually got into it after many WTF moments.

[Emperor]

My love for FF12 has rekindled. In September before I left for university I was pretty much sick of FF12. But I returned from university yesterday, and played FF12 for 4 hours straight. Not sure how I came to enjoy it so much, but before this I just completed the last dungeon so I spent 4 hours going around completing some hunts and getting a new Esper. I also noticed that Vaan was really weak compared to my other characters, and he uses those two handed ninja swords. Are there any strong ninja swords, or should I use a different weapon?

[~LK~]

Oh no i meant Zeromus, he sucked balls. Golbez was cool, looked awesome, had awesome theme music, however, i didnt like how he was basically just being controlled like a puppet for most of the game. Most of what he does appears to really be Zeromus(again, it wasnt really explained crystal clear), so it makes him sort of irrelevant in the character department. Obviously to be possessed it helped he already harboured bad feelings, but why couldnt he just be manipulated, at least then its his character.

I will play again when i get a Ds, reaquaint myself with all this, its been a long time since i played 4.

Yeah, I have both 4 and 6 on the Playstation so I may play those again after I beat 12 and then 10, which can take quite a while.

I don't really know why alot of people say FFXII doesn't seem like a Final Fantasy. I admit I thought that at first when I barely started playing it. But now I'd say it feels just as much like a Final Fantasy as any other FF game did. I admit though, the game does lack a good story. I mean take two of my favorite FF games, 4 and 6. In 4, the villain was getting close to ruling the world. In 6, the villain came close to not only ruling the world, but destroying it as well. In 12, there's really nothing. But the lack of story is the only flaw in this game.

[HilaryFan]

But Vayne wanted to take over the world too :$ , using nethacite and rampaging through Rozarria.

At the very least the homeland of the main characters was at stake, the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. Pretty epic on the Villains plot scale to me, and a nice chance from 'wanting to completely destroy the world or everyone in it', which ended up being Kefka's, Exdeath's, Kuja's(after he found out he was mortal), Ultimecias and Seymours plans.

Sure a few of these guys put a bit of spin on the idea, but its all still essentially the same.

[~LK~]

But Vayne wanted to take over the world too :$ , using nethacite and rampaging through Rozarria.

At the very least the homeland of the main characters was at stake, the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. Pretty epic on the Villains plot scale to me, and a nice chance from 'wanting to completely destroy the world or everyone in it', which ended up being Kefka's, Exdeath's, Kuja's(after he found out he was mortal), Ultimecias and Seymours plans.

Sure a few of these guys put a bit of spin on the idea, but its all still essentially the same.

Oh really? Well I'm not even done with the game yet. So far though it seemed like nothing like that was gonna happen so I said that. Nevermind. :lol:

[HilaryFan]

Oh really? Well I'm not even done with the game yet. So far though it seemed like nothing like that was gonna happen so I said that. Nevermind. :lol:

He has a whole other totally different plan as an end result to all this warring though, which i definitely wont be telling you, dont worry haha.

[~LK~]

While we're on the subject of Final Fantasy, anybody here ever played the first original Final Fantasy? How is it, like story-wise and such? I've been thinking about going old school with that and playing and beating every FF game.

[HilaryFan]

I liked it, but its very unforgiving. You cant save except in Inns if i remember correctly. If you die in a dungeon, all the way back to town for you.

There is literally zero character development for the 4 protagonists, but the story plays out interestingly enough involving some really complicated time travel shizzle.

Its not as good as anything from 4 onwards (havnt played 3, no DS) but its 10000 times better than the dog turd that was FF2.

[Voxtz]

FF12 continued my weird continuation of my favorite character in the game being an NPC.

So i was a little annoyed when Vossler died :suspic:

This game has some ingenious gameplay, fun monsters, and interesting characters. Too bad the main story left me a little bored, with the Sun Cryst and political intrigue :thumbsdown:

[Emperor]

While we're on the subject of Final Fantasy, anybody here ever played the first original Final Fantasy? How is it, like story-wise and such? I've been thinking about going old school with that and playing and beating every FF game.

The original Final Fantasy is amazing. No real story at all, just a general "save the 4 crystals" with some basic subplots in the middle. Still a really fun game, it's my 3rd most played Final Fantasy game, behind 7 and 6.


I liked it, but its very unforgiving. You cant save except in Inns if i remember correctly. If you die in a dungeon, all the way back to town for you.

To be honest I never had much trouble surviving in dungeons, with a possible few exceptions. It helps that exploited the fast levelling up "trick". Not really a trick, just walking to a location with monsters that are way stronger than you at the time, but if you're lucky you can win a battle and get loads of gil/exp.


Its not as good as anything from 4 onwards (havnt played 3, no DS) but its 10000 times better than the dog turd that was FF2.

It beats 5, 8, 10, 10-2 and 12 in my book. I agree with the FF2 statement too, one of the worst games I've ever played.

[Afficial]

I would love Square to make a new FF game with a job system like FF5/Tactics had, or a materia system like FF7 had. They need to bring back secret characters too, I'm pretty sure the last FF game to have secret characters was 7.

[BallinMVPStyle]

Whens the next final fantasy coming out? There hasn't been one in awhile. Oh shoot I wouldn't be able to play because Idon't have PS3. Oh well.

[~LK~]

Whens the next final fantasy coming out? There hasn't been one in awhile. Oh shoot I wouldn't be able to play because Idon't have PS3. Oh well.

All it says is in 2009. No month or day has been released yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_fantasy_13

[HilaryFan]

Yeah, we will probably get FFXIII here in the UK in 2010 :(

Hopefully we get Dissidia for the PSP about mid 2009! Theres also Agito XIII coming for the PSP which should be great.

And of course Versus 13.

Thats 4 Final Fantasy games to look forward to :)

[~LK~]

I'm back again, looking for a little more help with this.

Right now, I'm in the woods fighting the King Bomb (that big red bomb that summons all his little bombs). How the hell am I supposed to defeat him when he always does a full life restore everytime I get his health low?

[JACKNIFE]

been a while but i recall at the save point before you fight him jack up your ENTIRE team w/ boosts (defense, haste, etc...) and try to get your guys limit breaks up and i just focused on him and combo'd the hell outta him w/ like 20-30 breaks. it was a MEGA bitch but after enough tries i did it. i think my team was in the mid 20's to very early 30's in level. also you can gamble and start off by having EVERYONE cast "silence" on him so he cant heal. but it has like a 1/10 chance of hitting.

going for the zodiak spear?

[Havok]

Dont even bother with that stupid King Bomb until your reaaaaaally high leveled, or you have some of the higher magic spells, you'll get your ass kicked every time. It's also not necessary to beat it to beat the game. It does open up one of the better xp dungeons though.

Also yeah, Silence and blind are your friends in that fight. Also, kill the small bombs first. He'll use that full restore spell everytime no matter what. It's just a case of keeping him down to a point you can pull of a quickening chain when he's low enough to kill him BEFORE he does it.

But yeah, I hated that thing.

[~LK~]

Thanks. I've decided to leave and get more prepared for him. I started with equipping the Ruby Ring on all my people (It casts reflect), so that his Fira won't hurt me. Of course it'll bounce off and give him life from the fire, but it doesn't give him too much life back at all, so it shouldn't matter.

[Zirich]

Upper level spells are pretty much a must.

It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure I brought in my scrub team to start out, and blasted through their quickenings first. Then, I brought in my main team, and whittled him down, hit a quickening chain, and then, with his health critical, I summoned Zalera (who automatically uses Condemnation on HP critical enemies) to finish things off.

The keys are, first, to not worry about to smaller bombs, and second, to go all out once you get King Bomb to critical. Essentially, don't give him time to heal himself when you get to that point. Quickenings and proper summoning will do the trick.

Of course, if you don't have Zalera yet..... my plan is pretty much useless.

[~LK~]

Upper level spells are pretty much a must.

It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure I brought in my scrub team to start out, and blasted through their quickenings first. Then, I brought in my main team, and whittled him down, hit a quickening chain, and then, with his health critical, I summoned Zalera (who automatically uses Condemnation on HP critical enemies) to finish things off.

The keys are, first, to not worry about to smaller bombs, and second, to go all out once you get King Bomb to critical. Essentially, don't give him time to heal himself when you get to that point. Quickenings and proper summoning will do the trick.

Of course, if you don't have Zalera yet..... my plan is pretty much useless.

Where do you get Zalera at?

I only have Belias and Mateus so far. I'm about to go and get Adrammelech and Zeromus, or try to anyway.

[JACKNIFE]

i dont know man, dont give that thing an INCH. gotta go ruthless on it asap and dont stop. i hit it with a damn quickening chain of like 25-30 and lucked out and got a REALLY potent finish twice (with each of my 3 man teams) to kill it off.

[~LK~]

i dont know man, dont give that thing an INCH. gotta go ruthless on it asap and dont stop. i hit it with a damn quickening chain of like 25-30 and lucked out and got a REALLY potent finish twice (with each of my 3 man teams) to kill it off.

Yeah, I try to just go at it and not let up but soon after, the small bombs detonate themselves, either killing my people or forcing me to heal myself.

I'm on level 28-41. Balthier's my strongest with about 3000 HP and the lowest is Penelo with I think a little less than 2500.

[Zirich]

Where do you get Zalera at?

I only have Belias and Mateus so far. I'm about to go and get Adrammelech and Zeromus, or try to anyway.


Zalera is in Barheim Passage. You have to do a couple of other minor sidequests to get the keys and items you need to get to him. He isn't easy to get to, but once you get there, he isn't too difficult to beat. And, like I said before, he uses his ultimate attack on HP critical enemies, which makes some of the more difficult fights (like King Bomb :suspic:) a little easier.

Funny thing about Adrammelech is that I actually got him by accident. I didn't realize where I was, and all of a sudden, I'm in a fight. I was scared shitless, but he turned out not to be that bad. Now Cuchulainn, Exodus, and Zodiark..... whole different kinda story.
In fact, i still can't talk about my fight (fights..... :@ ) with Exodus. Too many bitter memories from before I got it right.

[Blindy]

Zalera is in Barheim Passage. You have to do a couple of other minor sidequests to get the keys and items you need to get to him. He isn't easy to get to, but once you get there, he isn't too difficult to beat. And, like I said before, he uses his ultimate attack on HP critical enemies, which makes some of the more difficult fights (like King Bomb :suspic:) a little easier.

Funny thing about Adrammelech is that I actually got him by accident. I didn't realize where I was, and all of a sudden, I'm in a fight. I was scared shitless, but he turned out not to be that bad. Now Cuchulainn, Exodus, and Zodiark..... whole different kinda story.
In fact, i still can't talk about my fight (fights..... :@ ) with Exodus. Too many bitter memories from before I got it right.
Ugh the Barheim Passage........Its only a warmup to the run you will have to make in the Ruins for the Spear. :lol: The Deathbringer took a shit load of time but it was THE weapon to use for my team for a majority of the game.

Yeah Zalera really isnt that hard, just I think he doesnt allow magic or something(My memory is foggy) so you gotta pound its ass with quickenings due to its death spells.

I actually thought King Bomb was pretty easy actually.........and I beat him at a decent level too. Just it was too much of a pain in the ass to reach the zodiac spear due to the swarms of enemies who jump at you.

Now the final motherfucking esper is a BITCH.

[~LK~]

Ugh the Barheim Passage........Its only a warmup to the run you will have to make in the Ruins for the Spear. :lol: The Deathbringer took a shit load of time but it was THE weapon to use for my team for a majority of the game.

Yeah Zalera really isnt that hard, just I think he doesnt allow magic or something(My memory is foggy) so you gotta pound its ass with quickenings due to its death spells.

I actually thought King Bomb was pretty easy actually.........and I beat him at a decent level too. Just it was too much of a pain in the ass to reach the zodiac spear due to the swarms of enemies who jump at you.

Now the final motherfucking esper is a BITCH.

The final esper you get storyline-wise? Or final optional esper?

[Emperor]

I'm back again, looking for a little more help with this.

Right now, I'm in the woods fighting the King Bomb (that big red bomb that summons all his little bombs). How the hell am I supposed to defeat him when he always does a full life restore everytime I get his health low?

I managed to beat him when I first got there, took me several tries though. I just wore him down, switched party members, and used my quickenings when he was at lowish health.

I think I've only got one of the secret Espers, the one in Zertinan caverns. I never use my Espers so I don't see why I should bother. I've fought the one above the Moshphoran Highwaste but he completely annihilated me at the time. I think he would still destroy me. Don't know where any of the others are.

[Zirich]

I managed to beat him when I first got there, took me several tries though. I just wore him down, switched party members, and used my quickenings when he was at lowish health.

I think I've only got one of the secret Espers, the one in Zertinan caverns. I never use my Espers so I don't see why I should bother. I've fought the one above the Moshphoran Highwaste but he completely annihilated me at the time. I think he would still destroy me. Don't know where any of the others are.


Well, I never used my espers either (except Zalera). But fighting them was (I thought) the most enjoyable part of the game, which is why I did it. It's like fighting the WEAPONS in the other games. There's no real reason to do it, other than to say you did it.

And Mosphoran Highwastes? That would be my old buddy Exodus. Don't feel bad for getting your ass handed to you. He beat me like a red-headed step child like 6 times before I got it right.

[Blindy]

The final esper you get storyline-wise? Or final optional esper?
Final optional esper. Sorry

and I remember about Zalera now, you have a time limit I think of like 5 minutes and you have to beat it or else you have to fight him all over again.


Well, I never used my espers either (except Zalera). But fighting them was (I thought) the most enjoyable part of the game, which is why I did it. It's like fighting the WEAPONS in the other games. There's no real reason to do it, other than to say you did it.

And Mosphoran Highwastes? That would be my old buddy Exodus. Don't feel bad for getting your ass handed to you. He beat me like a red-headed step child like 6 times before I got it right.
Ugh does Exodus have that ex death crap again with the lasers that come out from the sky. :lol:

Yeah man I should really replay this once I am totally done with Persona 4. :$

[Zirich]

Ugh does Exodus have that ex death crap again with the lasers that come out from the sky. :lol:




He has Scathe, which is this games version of Ultima (strongest spell in the game, and all). He has that and Flare (number 2 spell). The hard thing is that when he starts using Scathe, you have to split up your party so that they don't all get hit.

[~LK~]

Man I tried beating Zeromus for the first time today and he kicked my ass so quick. Damn.

[Zirich]

Yeah, no magic. Zeromus is a sucky battle.

[~LK~]

Yeah, no magic. Zeromus is a sucky battle.

Well it's not the lack of magic, because that I can do without since my regular attacks are stronger than my magic attacks. It's just that defensively I didn't stand a chance. Those extra zombie things are what really made it hard. But I had no potions this first time so I'm going to buy a shit load of hi-potions and that should help alot.

[Zirich]

Little OT:
I just started playing FF8 again..... man I fucking love that game.

[~LK~]

I went back and beat that damn bomb, finally. It took three tries but it's cool. Then I went into that temple place and those monsters in there are strong. I had to leave.

[Blindy]

I went back and beat that damn bomb, finally. It took three tries but it's cool. Then I went into that temple place and those monsters in there are strong. I had to leave.
Yeah your gonna have to just make a good run if you want the spear. :lol:

Nearly got it but I swear these swarms all teleport and swing at you. My best advice is if your going to try that is to have 1 character at a time so the people behind you arent stepping on traps or anything. So when 1 character dies, pick another and continue. Also have something to see traps.............Like Ashe's item.

[~LK~]

Yeah your gonna have to just make a good run if you want the spear. :lol:

Nearly got it but I swear these swarms all teleport and swing at you. My best advice is if your going to try that is to have 1 character at a time so the people behind you arent stepping on traps or anything. So when 1 character dies, pick another and continue. Also have something to see traps.............Like Ashe's item.

Yeah, I use Libra.

[JACKNIFE]

yeah thats the best advice, use one character at a time and HAUL ASS and dont look back and NEVER stop, i used the pause button like crazy whenever i wasnt sure were to turn to get a game plan in what felt like every 10 steps.

downside is when you get the spear, its pretty damn plain looking for "the most powerful weapon in the game", and was annoyed it wasnt a sword like in past games LOL.

[Blindy]

yeah thats the best advice, use one character at a time and HAUL ASS and dont look back and NEVER stop, i used the pause button like crazy whenever i wasnt sure were to turn to get a game plan in what felt like every 10 steps.

downside is when you get the spear, its pretty damn plain looking for "the most powerful weapon in the game", and was annoyed it wasnt a sword like in past games LOL.
Also a pain in the you know what to learn since its deep in the sphere grid.

[JACKNIFE]

that didnt bother me since i knew the most powerful weapon was gonna be a spear b4 i even bought the game, so right off i had basch and the main character learning the spear so i was already able to equip it to either of them a little before i even got it.

[~LK~]

Well I was able to beat Zalera today after the third try. Dude was pissing me off because I didn't know you had to do it in five minutes or less and so when I got sent back out of the room, I was like "What the fuck?!?" I was able to beat him though when I blasted him with a shit load of quickening attacks.

Well I just wasted almost three hours trying to beat Addrammelech and have nothing to show for it. What a waste of time.

[~LK~]

I swear this game pisses me off. I went to that place that you go to after beating that stupid King Bomb guy and I got far into that damn place too and finally got to a save crystal, or so I thought. It was a monster crystal and I got killed. Nothing hurt that thing. There was no way I could've beaten it. So I wasted about an hour...hour and a half and have nothing to show for it.